Should it really be this difficult?

[Logo]

These fights arent that hard, The issue lies with the ease of grouping.

Being able to click a checkbox and get a group of people you will never see again has detrimental effects.
Especially with a lot of the community not having an MMO background.

These are fights, that have choreographed mechanics, so each time you're generally getting someone that has no idea what that mechanic is, hence wipe.
Unlike other MMOs where party finding was tied to the users on the server, this would lead to a player getting a bad reputation.
Here, not the case. So bad can keep happening.

Dungeons, yeah, you can generally figure out along the way, but Titan EX, Garuda EX, people coming in blind? you might as well throw the 90 minutes out the door.
DF is great for gathering people, but it does have its drawbacks.

I'd say try to find atleast one or two pals, I know it can be hard, but it will make your DF chances better.

[Moqi]

If it helps, I have beaten both Leviathan EX and Moggle EX on DF. I've found them easier than the first 3 primals (still stuck on titan ex lol)

[Kaonis]

The content pretty much is that difficult. Hell a number of the endgame content punishes you for being too geared/having too much echo, because of how heavily scripted the fights are (good luck with Titan EX where pushing a phase tends to be a death sentence or at the very least make the fight harder than before).

This speaks nothing of how poorly optimized their content is for the server structure. Seeing as all the content is based on pin point accuracy in execution of abilities and dodging mechanics, yet the server has all final say on what happens, you get a big disaster in the making.

On top of this everything is based around the idea of least common denominator player, meaning you're ability to succeed in anything is solely dependent on the worst member of your group considering how tight most fights are a single person who keeps dying (or from what I've seen, a single anyone having a small slip up) causes the group to wipe.

Really this endgame is difficult, but in all the wrong and most unfair of ways. I've literally never seen so many people frustrated doing endgame before because of just minor slip ups. Hell I've never played a game where being out of an AoE with a solid 30% left on the cast bar means you're probably gonna get hit still because the server goes faster than your internet will allow (and no we're not talking lag or drop in FPS, we're talking 100% smooth playing).

This all just a lot of small issues that amount to one huge headache. Bottom line, future developers will need to look at this game and realize server side handling is bad news for an MMO especially if you want anything to be even remotely tight and difficult.

[drmambo1999]

I have beaten Garuda EX and that is it! XD I know the other fights thoroughly because of DF and watching videos on my own time, but I have yet to find a group that has successfully beaten Titan EX or thornmarch EX. (this goes for PF as well) I personally don't think either fight is really all that difficult as it boils down to just knowing the mechanics of the fights. The "difficulty" lies with making sure everyone in your group is on the same page when doing these fights. I have a alot of patience and can deal with wiping over and over as long as I get a win eventually, but something I run into that makes all these fights IMPOSSIBLE, is after just a couple of wipes, people start leaving! I HATE THAT! I get it, but I hate it! Just draws things out longer.

[Jamez82]

This game relies way to much on other people to be perfect in order for you to progress. If it didn't everyone would have beaten all the content within a couple days of its release. Savage coil included.

[Machetazzo]

Extreme in this game means that one slip up of one member during the key mechanic of the fight can cause a wipe. This can be frustrating especially as the difficulty is basically not caused by high dmg output of bosses, adds... but the perfection of your positioning and movement.
his is my first MMO where such a huge role plays movement. Usually the difficulty was in boss dmg output or party's dmg, which was related to gear and using your skills more than focusing on move at certain moments


People rely way too much on Echo, which in fact does not solve anything (unless your dps is really undergeared and unable to push through dps checks) but rather causes funny situations with script issues.
Majority of the time it is a person being 1 second late with getting out of range -> irreversable KO , not healer unable to top the party, tank not using buffs correctly or dps dealing unsufficient damage.

It is however the way this game is designed and in fact I find it fun! Even with the best gear you will still need to concentrate during those fights (unless they nerf them anytime soon)

[SpecialKK]

Hi all, I have just unlocked Moogle EX but have yet to try it. I did watch a couple of the videos out there (MTQ and Happy). One of the key things they both said as a DPS is to make sure that the WHM and BLM moogle are interrupted. Given that you can only FocusTarget one mob at a time, how do you keep an eye on both of them?

[Machetazzo]

Hi all, I have just unlocked Moogle EX but have yet to try it. I did watch a couple of the videos out there (MTQ and Happy). One of the key things they both said as a DPS is to make sure that the WHM and BLM moogle are interrupted. Given that you can only FocusTarget one mob at a time, how do you keep an eye on both of them?

My group always have one ranged DPS designated for each mog having it on focus target. For safety reasons you can agree on additional person who will help dpsing particular mog. Also it is relatively easy to notice that one is casting his OP skill.