Warrior cross class debate

[Sqwall]

I ran into many situations where other players think that "flash" is a needed for warrior. I feel having a level 50 PLD also that flash is a staple of that class. It is in the skills list for gladiator, and so I understand the need for that particular class. Warrior can benefit from this skill, but to be scrutinized by players tell me I "need it" to be even a good tank. Really? Have they ever tanked before. Flash is a joke compared to overpower!

And to top it off I was screamed at by the healer by using Berserk. I understand there is 5s of pacification. Apparently this was HUGELY annoying to the healer, because esuna isn't supposed to be on the hot bar for some reason. I tried to argue that berserk gave me wrath, which helps me tank better. With unchained + berserk+ and bloodbath I feel is a ridiculous amount of threat and HP regen

[Sqwall]

Help me understand was I just some elitist jerks or complete morons. The things said were outrageous and not forum friendly. Actually made me look at my tanking strategy as warrior differently. So in short is "flash" needed and is berserk worth the risk for extra damage and enmity coupled with unchained and bloodbath respectively?

[Anova]

Hello Sqwall. You can extend your posts beyond the 1000 char limit using the edit option in future posts.

I would say you were correct in not using Flash and using Berserk. The 5 second pacification is not pleasant, but it's not usually a gamebreaker. Tanks seldom lose aggro because of it even if healers don't remove the debuff. Most healers will if they see it, although you may have been paired with a SCH (they don't get their "esuna" until they level-sync above lv.40) who was just frustrated with being unable to handle the debuffs. Similarly, the Flash is not viable for marauders because of the mp cost and it is perfectly acceptable to ignore it.

These changes did come after patch 2.2 though, so those players may be referring to experience from an older version where enmity was harder for tanks to get and flash was an optimized ability for warriors.

[SwashBuccaneer]

I like using flash simply because I don't have much use for MP and it's just an additional threat tool when TP is running low or unable to use overpower.

[Ashkendor]

Flash isn't needed but Provoke is, so you're going to have Flash anyway. It's up to you if you cross class it.

As far as the healer's complaint about Esuna/Leeches, that's ridiculous. A healer that doesn't have their respective cleansing spell on their hotbar and ready to cast is only doing half their job. The five seconds that you have the Pacification debuff shouldn't be that much of a problem for your healer unless they are massively overhealing to the point that they tear aggro off you the moment you stop using enmity-generating skills. If it is, they need to either stop chain-spamming heals unnecessarily or cleanse the debuff off of you. Either way, it's their problem.

[Rhais]

I actually think flash is very useful. It works great for quickly picking up initial threat on multiple enemies that might not be positioned or spawn in a position that makes tagging them with overpower as easy. It can also be advantageous in certain situations since you don't have to have the enemy targeted to hit them with flash.

[Grembo]

I actually think flash is very useful. It works great for quickly picking up initial threat on multiple enemies that might not be positioned or spawn in a position that makes tagging them with overpower as easy. It can also be advantageous in certain situations since you don't have to have the enemy targeted to hit them with flash.

Steel Cyclone?

[Rhais]

Steel Cyclone?

It's not always what I want to spend wrath on, or always up.

[Grembo]

It's not always what I want to spend wrath on, or always up.

Can't imagine you needing IB's buff for trash pulls.

Steel Cyclone does everything you mentioned in your previous post and between the stacks you build + Infuriate it's great for chain pulling.

I'd hardly deem Flash 'very useful' just because you're choosing to use it over superior skills

[VargasVermillion]

On warrior I typically use flash when I'm pacified since you can still flash while under that effect, otherwise I'll just use Overpower or Steel cyclone. While it isn't always needed on pally if you use CoS and swap targets a lot it's much more useful on a pally, blind can also help every now and again on large groups.