Warrior cross class debate

[Giantbane]

Can't imagine you needing IB's buff for trash pulls.

Steel Cyclone does everything you mentioned in your previous post and between the stacks you build + Infuriate it's great for chain pulling.

I'd hardly deem Flash 'very useful' just because you're choosing to use it over superior skills

Sometimes trash likes to scatter a bit, so it can often be easier to get in the middle of them and flash a couple times to get them in a group and then steel cyclone/overpower. You're not using that MP anyway. And it's not like anything beyond Provoke or Convalescence is very useful either.

I ran into many situations where other players think that "flash" is a needed for warrior. I feel having a level 50 PLD also that flash is a staple of that class. It is in the skills list for gladiator, and so I understand the need for that particular class. Warrior can benefit from this skill, but to be scrutinized by players tell me I "need it" to be even a good tank. Really? Have they ever tanked before. Flash is a joke compared to overpower!

And to top it off I was screamed at by the healer by using Berserk. I understand there is 5s of pacification. Apparently this was HUGELY annoying to the healer, because esuna isn't supposed to be on the hot bar for some reason. I tried to argue that berserk gave me wrath, which helps me tank better. With unchained + berserk+ and bloodbath I feel is a ridiculous amount of threat and HP regen

Provoke is required for some fights. Convalescence is very strong and should always be on your bar. Everything else is very minimal in its effect so it's up to you.

And the healer is stupid. If he doesn't want to esuna you, he doesn't need to. You can function as a tank perfectly fine even if you're pacified for 5s after using Berserk.

[Remn]

You know the Renauld's can spawn right on top of the adds right?

You can prebuild your combo on the boss and unload a butchers block right when the add spawns, no idea why you'd be using mutli target abilities for any of the adds in t7.

Good job on bring something else to the discussion than "flash are a very useful skill because it's the only button I can press while pacified" though.

you can q up BB on first melee add but what about 2nd and 3rd melee add? you do know that you can get voice right after they spawn right? (my group got voice right after 3rd melee add pop all the time)

my group talking the melee on the edge of platform, so the flash range is away form the fatty spawn (altho, with some bad luck the fatty can still pop on the edge of flash range but that never happen to my group yet)
If you got voice during add and have to stop atking and look away, 1 BB (even if it combo) won't be enough to hold hate against I110 DPS.
you can ask you dps to slow down their dps while you wait for voice to goes off or have them blow up the add while you look away and spam flash (once or twice). 1 DPS will get voice, which mean you will have 2-3 DPS atking the add.

[Remn]

in all seriousness, like Giantbane said, other cross class beside Provoke and Convalescence are not that good anyway,(some of them is good but not THAT good ;P)
- Internal release, good for DPS. goes well with berserk and Unchained. (prolly the 3rd useful cross class for WAR)

- Awareness, Extremely situational.
- Mantra, good combo with Convalescence but it only 5%,
- FeatherFoot, good for normalizing damage but unreliable due to randomness.
- Flash, 360 degree non-target hate grab.
- SecondWind, good selfheal, but CD a bit too long. still decent.
- HayMaker, no idea never see any1 use it. lol

[MythToken]

Flash has its uses, and it can work extremely well. For instance Turn 4 on the Two robot adds. You can flash before they even land, and it will hit them.

However i don't think its necessary to be a good Warrior tank. T7 is not somewhere I would use it, as the only reliable way to get threat on the first set of adds, is to land a BB combo. Anything else they will run around and tail whip the healers to death.

I would say the best warrior tanks switch their cross class skills based on the fight they are about to encounter.

Also @ OP, anyone telling you not to use Berserk for any reason is p dumb, especially a class that can esuna it off.
You can make a Berserk Macro that helps time up the Esuna where it warns them about 1 second before you are about to become pacified. But this is not necessary.

[Sqwall]

We'll I mostly meant on hate grab. With berserk and unchained overpower is stupid good over flash that does no damage at all.

[Xenosys]

I like flash quite a lot actually. I find it very useful in a number of situations,(like getting a voice while picking up adds in T7) more so than other skills. However you can always look at it like this. Provoke is a MUST, Convalence and IR are both awesome. There's three right right there. The other two are personal preference. I like Flash and either FF or second wind depending on the fight. However in second coil mobs cannot miss from what i hear(guess i already assumed it lulz) so that would make second wind better. The other skills are all pretty useless. I mean come on... not even paladins use awareness XD

One thing to note... the more damage output you have(buffs, str, weapon damage,ect, ect) the more enmity Flash generates even though it is considered a magic skill

[Killabye]

Steel Cyclone?

flash is good for sr, if you want. steel cyclone i guess you could use, on the first mob lol. flash is good like rhais said for running by and flashing if theyre not grouped well and steelscyclone is best on a big mob where you can get the max healing from it, especially if youre healer needs help or dps is slow

[blowfin]

It should be in a WAR's cross class set for sure. Easy enough to slip in between Overpower or whatever else, doesn't use TP, can be used during pacification, it also blinds mobs (nobody seems to have mentioned this). You can certainly get away with not using it, but it does add a little more utility to Warrior, plus it's basically a free skill by using MP, and what exactly would you substitute it with?

Steel cyclone has it's place too, but I usually save it for when I'm buffed through the roof with Bloodbath/Berserk/Maim, so I can maximise the damage and HP recovered.

And to top it off I was screamed at by the healer by using Berserk. I understand there is 5s of pacification. Apparently this was HUGELY annoying to the healer, because esuna isn't supposed to be on the hot bar for some reason. I tried to argue that berserk gave me wrath, which helps me tank better. With unchained + berserk+ and bloodbath I feel is a ridiculous amount of threat and HP regen

Haha, I just about fall off my chair when a healer proactively removes Pacification.

[Xenosys]

@ Blowfin It only Blinds on PLD. Its a trait from gladiator

[Zoeila]

overpower is a last resort for me to save tp. i use it spairingly in non speedrun dungeons. steel cyclone + 3x flash is usually enough to secure hate.