Please fix dresses!

[Phenidate]

Ways to obtain gear and the stats assigned to it has zero to do with this discussion about the design and appearance of gear. When it's glamoured the stats on the old piece of gear are moot.

We're being told they're working on giving us a lot of new gear. So far we've been getting recycled low level armor and a limited number of new gear. And cosmetics which despite the intention of looking nice, fall short of the quality of even a level 1 robe.

This thread was about dresses and skirts, and how they clip through the lower middle portion of the outfit because they moved the verts of the dress to close to the legs. The physics they applied should have been the same they use for robes.

This whole things been derailed and shifted to address fixing all clipping ever. Before I bow out of this thread, I want to make one thing clear:

Clipping is something we won't escape until a future time where cloth simulation is near perfect. I can live with clipping here and there, I have ways to alter my appearance and pick gear that fits with a central piece. The issues presented by me in this thread are beyond these solutions and are a fault of the gear displaying on the character model itself.
It would be nice if the principles behind other dress like gear was applied to the design and modeling of current and newer dresses, skirts and dress like gear. The newest gear we've received is a step back and lacks the improvements made to previously released skirted gear. Such gear had greatly reduced clipping issues.
The older gear is some of the best rendered I've seen in any MMO, but that quality hasn't been carried through from the past couple patches.

I've offered suggestions on how it may be fixed with little effort, nothing too difficult beyond tweaking the mesh. If the dev team thinks that's too hard, that this gear is good enough, glaring self clipping issues and all, it's a reflection on them.

The skirt is no departure from what we've had before, it's the longer lower half of a robe that doesn't take up a chest slot. The Gown is practically the same as the Vanyas in silhouette, with different greeble stuck to it.

Stop pretending like they've innovated here, as if this is a new thing to the team. They solved these issues before, these solutions should have been applied once again.

[Zileth]

Almost every MMO or single player game iv played has some type of clipping

[RickiFake02]

Almost every MMO or single player game iv played has some type of clipping

Yes, but the clipping in this game is SO BAD. For a game that is otherwise so beautiful, I do not understand why they have such glaring clipping errors. I have seen weapon sets that clip into THEMSELVES, nevermind clipping into the character or other sets of gear. And I have also seen a multitude of other games and other MMOs where a character could wear a robe without their feet cutting through the back every time they move. It is not an impossible issue to fix.

[Sapphic]

I didnt realize you and your FC were the only other players than them in the game, sorry to disagree but their term WE is correct as evident in this thread its more than just that single player who isnt happy about this.

So, you taking a tiny percentage of the population that actually posts on the forums as an indication of what everyone wants? There's more players who disagree in my FC than have posted in this thread. Don't count individual posts as many people have posted more than once in this thread.

[Sapphic]

I've offered suggestions on how it may be fixed with little effort, nothing too difficult beyond tweaking the mesh. If the dev team thinks that's too hard, that this gear is good enough, glaring self clipping issues and all, it's a reflection on them.[/B]

If it took as little effort, don't you think they would have done it? They are paid professionals in their field, I'm pretty sure they know better what takes little effort or more effort that would cause a delay in the release of content. But if you are such an expert in 3d modelling and physics at a level that you can "instruct" professionals. Why aren't you working for a major games company?

[Tiraelina]

If it took as little effort, don't you think they would have done it? They are paid professionals in their field, I'm pretty sure they know better what takes little effort or more effort that would cause a delay in the release of content. But if you are such an expert in 3d modelling and physics at a level that you can "instruct" professionals. Why aren't you working for a major games company?

These problems are easy to fix. This has little to do with effort and entirely the development process they follow that doesn't allow fixing previous things on a whim. You might have noticed they only ever state things will be fixed moving forwards.

Just don't even start if you don't understand anything.

Regardless of this, if the bar is so low that even the base character mesh that doesn't change (like hair does) is clipping through gear. We have problems.

[Sapphic]

These problems are easy to fix.

So if it is so easy to fix, why was "the problem" there when they created the items? Why not work for SE and show them how it's done instead of saying what is and what isn't easy with zero proof you have any idea what you are talking about.

[JillyBean]

This isn't exactly on topic, but it's on the topic of dresses, so I thought I'd ask it here. Will Dress Material be used in future recipes or just the Spring Dresses that now exist. I thought maybe a Summer Dress might come but July 8 didn't produce anything new in that department. I'm trying to decide if I should save my Dress Material for a future recipe or go ahead and make the Spring Dress that exists now as that's it.

[Malamasala]

Yes, but the clipping in this game is SO BAD. For a game that is otherwise so beautiful, I do not understand why they have such glaring clipping errors. I have seen weapon sets that clip into THEMSELVES, nevermind clipping into the character or other sets of gear. And I have also seen a multitude of other games and other MMOs where a character could wear a robe without their feet cutting through the back every time they move. It is not an impossible issue to fix.

What point are you trying to make? Models not attached to the default body is only natural to clip stuff. What do you expect your character animations to do when you run into a wall? Adjust themselves so you do not clip into the wall?

Same goes for weapons. Animations are not made with all the weapons on, and new weapons are also not tested in every single animation. You can claim you think it should be tested, but that is far beyond what a company usually has time with when they have to push out new things with speed.

Also I wish the text limit wouldn't always seem to include the quote as well. So annoying to type little and yet be cock blocked by the forum due to the quoted text.

[Sapphic]

What point are you trying to make? Models not attached to the default body is only natural to clip stuff. What do you expect your character animations to do when you run into a wall? Adjust themselves so you do not clip into the wall?

Same goes for weapons. Animations are not made with all the weapons on, and new weapons are also not tested in every single animation. You can claim you think it should be tested, but that is far beyond what a company usually has time with when they have to push out new things with speed.

Also I wish the text limit wouldn't always seem to include the quote as well. So annoying to type little and yet be cock blocked by the forum due to the quoted text.

Finally, someone with a clue

Plus the anims are mo-cap.