Limit Break in PvP

[Yotsu]

LB is fine and if well timed/placed decides a fight.
As a healer you have enough time to counter it by shielding yourself.
May be harder as a WHM but pretty easy as SCH, tho my SCH sits at ~5500hp in fl

[Shake0615]

After reviewing my videos yes you are correct, but if a healer has any type of shield or the Warrior HP boost buff up then they can/will survive.

Even with the extra 10% granted by SS I'm not convinced it's enough to survive. Either way, I'm not necessarily committing to the notion that a healer MUST be able to survive an LB anyway.

Anecdotally speaking, Limit Breaks are the single greatest factor that turns the tide in the majority of the skirmishes that I heal through; not my ability to heal, my teammates' ability to manage their defense as well as offense, or the other team's ability to lock me down. In the end, if I'm having a great day and healing like a boss but a terribad dragoon has the LB up then they will win that skirmish. But that in and of itself isn't the issue. It's also the fact that this happens at the very least twice in every single match, sometimes more. To me, that's just too many times and it discourages me from healing because it's just no fun getting dropped fight after fight after fight at the hands of a one-hit Rekt button.

Bottom Line:
I guess I'm the only one who feels this way. It currently feels game-breaking to me so I suppose I just won't heal anymore. Thank you all for sharing your thoughts.

[Koltik]

Even with the extra 10% granted by SS I'm not convinced it's enough to survive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgzZ...tmOfkNnVtK1xqA

In that video you will see a SCH with 4453 HP. He adlo's for 700 non-crit, which in itself would bump him up to over the LB threshold. If he crits, it's even more of a bump up. I have seen him survive LB's time and time again - actually, I have seen him die to 1 LB and survive at least 5 in my time playing with him. It's more than possible to survive the LB hit and then lustrate yourself back up.

In the video you'll also see a warrior put up his HP buff, which bumps the SCH up to 5566 HP; way more than enough HP to survive an LB.

A WHM with the same HP would have an 18% SS, which would bump him up to 5254 HP - again, enough to survive an LB. Does he have much time to react after that LB? No, but he has enough time to cast 1 critical spell and survive.

[Koltik]

And yet here is another video actually where a SCH has 5500 HP unbuffed - meaning he can survive LB even without any shields on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR-e...tmOfkNnVtK1xqA

[Shake0615]

Well, clearly I'm wrong on being able to survive one. As I said, I strongly dislike the mechanic and that will be enough to keep me away from healing. But it seems like at personal decision at this point. Just wanted to see if anyone felt similarly.

[Divinemight]

But it seems like at personal decision at this point. Just wanted to see if anyone felt similarly.

Doing a video during your match is a good idea. When you review it, you will notice what is happening to your surrounding, not just you. Healers are strong in the Frontline, it is your experience that counts.

[Shake0615]

Doing a video during your match is a good idea. When you review it, you will notice what is happening to your surrounding, not just you. Healers are strong in the Frontline, it is your experience that counts.

I have plenty of experience with Wolves' Den, but those fights normally don't last long enough to build up a Limit Break anyway lol. I do video most of my matches and I consider myself good, not great in general. I suppose one of the main problems with this mechanic (again, in my personal experience) is that 4/5 times I'm solo healing in FL because no one wants to switch. So what is initially a tough enough problem becomes impossible because I'm the only one being targeted. Add in the fact that every 5 minutes or so a melee gets a one-shot skill (I don't understand how Koltik's SCH can prioritize that much vit and not sacrifice an insane amount of healing) and it makes for a very unenjoyable experience.

[SeleneVenizelos]

And yet here is another video actually where a SCH has 5500 HP unbuffed - meaning he can survive LB even without any shields on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR-e...tmOfkNnVtK1xqA

He will be using full i110 VIT accessories for that kind of HP, just so you're aware. Your average joe SCH won't have those lying around. Not that I'm saying people should be able to survive it, but using this person as a benchmark to dismiss the OP's point would be silly.

I agree with the OP that they are over powered. I disagree that they should be changed. Limit breaks are an essential and interesting part of the strategy. That you can dismantle an entire party on a flag is a good tool to have at your disposal. Or Braver a cocky healer who thinks they're invincible. They are over powered, yes, but that's the point. They're supposed to be. If they were more common they wouldn't be as powerful.

I've seen people really waste their LB, whereas others like to strategically use it. It's just a part of the battle to be incorporated into the strategy and enjoyed. And my opinion comes from the perspective of both a DRG and SCH. I love LBing people, and I hate being LB'd. It's all part of the fun!

[Seoulstar]

Sometimes I like it. Other times I don't. It's not exactly fun having someone run through the crowd just to lb you on multiple occasions. It's even worse when you have two GC's fighting you and their casters both decide to lb your one party.

[Koltik]

He will be using full i110 VIT accessories for that kind of HP, just so you're aware.

i110? First of all, no he isn't. Second, even if he was it would be no different from i100, i90, or i80. Frontline scales all gear stats down to i80.