I... actually really like hunts

[Kallera]

Just as with everything else, a vocal minority complains constantly. The silent majority are out there having fun.

I dunno, there have been arguments, blackballing,discussions and articles devoted to bring in more changes for hunt.

It has to mean something when it makes so many so angry or just indifferent to their fellow. FFXIV shouldn't be the type of game where we want to treat each other like dirt.

[Thayos]

You made up some rules, and expect others to follow or they're a bad person. Check yourself.

LOL, I've done anything but "make up some rules." I even said point-blank that I don't blame people for pulling early.

Personally, I just think it's often pointless (at best) to pull A-rank mobs early. No need to put any additional words in my mouth. My view is extremely straightforward.

If anything, people who pull early are the ones who are rebelling against the social norms being created by the greater server populations... which makes YOU the one who's making up rules. Perhaps you'd best check yourself?

[Illya]

I dunno, there have been arguments, blackballing,discussions and articles devoted to bring in more changes for hunt.

It has to mean something when it makes so many so angry or just indifferent to their fellow. FFXIV shouldn't be the type of game where we want to treat each other like furniture.

The problem is that the Western MMO players are a-holes, you can't fix that in games no matter what you do. Any game with open-world non-instanced content will have problems like this.

[Kallera]

The problem is that the Western MMO players are a-holes, you can't fix that in games no matter what you do. Any game with open-world non-instanced content will have problems like this.

I don't want to work with jerks. Why is the only alternative a walled off hub?

[Risvertasashi]

I don't want to work with jerks. Why is the only alternative a walled off hub?

Shouts are the most visible, but ironically, the people fighting there could well be the least social/communicative. You don't see the 384 people in my 3 hunt LSs not raging, or the hundreds of others in the zone just keeping calm and carrying on.

Of all my LSs and of all the parties I've joined, either through friends or the PF, I haven't seen drama. Some disappointment when they miss the 5th mob in a row or something, but nothing close to a ragefest. At worst, "I'm going to take a break and do this later when there's less people."

These forums (and admittedly /shout) might leave you thinking hunts are this terrible thing and everyone doing them is an a-hole cheater, but really that's only a few pixels in the huge picture.

[Clavaat]

LOL, I've done anything but "make up some rules." I even said point-blank that I don't blame people for pulling early.

Personally, I just think it's often pointless (at best) to pull A-rank mobs early. No need to put any additional words in my mouth. My view is extremely straightforward.

If anything, people who pull early are the ones who are rebelling against the social norms being created by the greater server populations... which makes YOU the one who's making up rules. Perhaps you'd best check yourself?

I didn't put any additional words in your mouth. By referring to players who don't pull when you want them to as "D-bags" or "impatient", you make them sound like the bad guy. You're right, that is straightforward. I follow the rules the game has laid out, not what an idiotic "social norm" has created. NMs are in the Open World. You can pick them up whenever you want, with whoever you want, however you want, sans cheating. Hunt LS' are a foolish attempt to put a control on something that shouldn't be controlled, and frankly contribute to the net loss of interest in the content.

[NargaHuntress]

I very much like the hunts. I have spent a whole day doing hunts just for the glamor pieces. And I'm on Ps3 so you can just imagine just how many of those hunts I actually saw xD. That doesn't bother me that much since you can AoE around the place and still still hit the hunt (even once) and get full reward. And I don't really mind missing a S rank (missed 4 yesterday T-T) because I have other stuff to do like getting atma, T6 practice, frontline grinding, leveling other classes, etc. And I have found the most hunts while doing those other things. And I believe it was suppose to be that way. (finding NM while you do other things)

[Tiraelina]

The problem is that the Western MMO players are a-holes, you can't fix that in games no matter what you do. Any game with open-world non-instanced content will have problems like this.

Do you think it's sunshine and rainbows on other regional servers or something?

We have these problems because of the unusually high player population per server for what is a smaller world than just about every MMO I've played. Most of the zones are trying to jam salmon through a garden hose. They also didn't have teleports to every single sub zone in the game. On top of zones being vastly overpopulated you have shared credit thrown into the mix so anyone that can get a hit in will get something for it. Everyone is doing exactly what they were taught to do by FATE's. Which is throw as many bodies at something as possible. This is basically Dark Devices 2.0 because seemingly nothing was learned from it, hostilities included.

Any progress oriented players are not doing these things because they enjoy them, they are doing them because it's the biggest most rewarding carrot on a stick around.

[Thayos]

By referring to players who don't pull when you want them to as "D-bags" or "impatient", you make them sound like the bad guy. You're right, that is straightforward.

Now instead of putting words in my mouth, you're either failing to grasp what I wrote in my first post OR you're just leaving stuff out in order to save face.

I will quote myself again, for your benefit, because it simply can't get any more straightforward than this:

Personally, I just think it's often pointless (at best) to pull A-rank mobs early.

That said, I have no problems with your views on social norms. I was simply showing you how silly it is for you to criticize others for "making their own rules" when, in essence, people who attempt to go at it alone are kind of doing the same thing.

And now, for a token real-world analogy, this concept makes me think of pro-gun activists who carry around their guns at the grocery store or in restaurants. Is this legal? Sure. Rules of the game? Yep. But is this socially normal? Absolutely not. People who do things like that are perceived to be breaking social rules, even if they're not breaking actual rules.

Two sides of the coin, good sir.

Oh, and on the topic of the OP... I'm also having a great time with hunts. For the most part, people seem to patiently wait for a good number of people to arrive, although you still get the idiots who'll pull as soon as the mob is within striking distance.

They mostly come out at night. Mostly.

[Seif]

I sort of like the way it's up to the community to deal with the hunts the way they want.
Also this is the only time I've been accepted in an open world party in thos game which is nice.

Now I must say that the rewards haven't felt like something that makes me want to do them all the time and the mobs definitely don't seem to have any interesting battle design in them.

Having said that I hope it's only early days for this system and that it really gets developed further.

They said that this was more of an afterthought to the game because of community requests but here's hoping that it doesn't mean they'll just leave it like this. The potential is definitely there.