I... actually really like hunts

[Tiraelina]

The problem is that the Western MMO players are a-holes, you can't fix that in games no matter what you do. Any game with open-world non-instanced content will have problems like this.

Do you think it's sunshine and rainbows on other regional servers or something?

We have these problems because of the unusually high player population per server for what is a smaller world than just about every MMO I've played. Most of the zones are trying to jam salmon through a garden hose. They also didn't have teleports to every single sub zone in the game. On top of zones being vastly overpopulated you have shared credit thrown into the mix so anyone that can get a hit in will get something for it. Everyone is doing exactly what they were taught to do by FATE's. Which is throw as many bodies at something as possible. This is basically Dark Devices 2.0 because seemingly nothing was learned from it, hostilities included.

Any progress oriented players are not doing these things because they enjoy them, they are doing them because it's the biggest most rewarding carrot on a stick around.

[Thayos]

By referring to players who don't pull when you want them to as "D-bags" or "impatient", you make them sound like the bad guy. You're right, that is straightforward.

Now instead of putting words in my mouth, you're either failing to grasp what I wrote in my first post OR you're just leaving stuff out in order to save face.

I will quote myself again, for your benefit, because it simply can't get any more straightforward than this:

Personally, I just think it's often pointless (at best) to pull A-rank mobs early.

That said, I have no problems with your views on social norms. I was simply showing you how silly it is for you to criticize others for "making their own rules" when, in essence, people who attempt to go at it alone are kind of doing the same thing.

And now, for a token real-world analogy, this concept makes me think of pro-gun activists who carry around their guns at the grocery store or in restaurants. Is this legal? Sure. Rules of the game? Yep. But is this socially normal? Absolutely not. People who do things like that are perceived to be breaking social rules, even if they're not breaking actual rules.

Two sides of the coin, good sir.

Oh, and on the topic of the OP... I'm also having a great time with hunts. For the most part, people seem to patiently wait for a good number of people to arrive, although you still get the idiots who'll pull as soon as the mob is within striking distance.

They mostly come out at night. Mostly.

[Clavaat]

For the most part, people seem to patiently wait for a good number of people to arrive, although you still get the idiots who'll pull as soon as the mob is within striking distance.

You do the same thing again. Way to go, champ. Your analogy applies to a negative in society. There should be laws against that. But what about societal norms involving segregation of race, gender, sex? We've bucked a lot of those trends in the past 50 years, but there are still things that need to change. In that case, the ones going against "societal norms" were in the right.

You should have stopped posting before that, and I would have let it go, but you totally say you don't care what people do but call them idiots and douchebags. That is exactly what I'm talking about.

[Seif]

I sort of like the way it's up to the community to deal with the hunts the way they want.
Also this is the only time I've been accepted in an open world party in thos game which is nice.

Now I must say that the rewards haven't felt like something that makes me want to do them all the time and the mobs definitely don't seem to have any interesting battle design in them.

Having said that I hope it's only early days for this system and that it really gets developed further.

They said that this was more of an afterthought to the game because of community requests but here's hoping that it doesn't mean they'll just leave it like this. The potential is definitely there.

[IndigoHawk]

The popularity of hunts show that people are tired of playing the game. What people want is a chat room where occasionally something happens.

Hunts let people stand around chatting, then use a couple abilities in a zerg and have no impact whatsoever on the fight. It's the same thing fates were before they got nerfed.

It's ok to like hunts ... but it's really just paying for a chat room with custom avatars.

[Risvertasashi]

The popularity of hunts show that people are tired of playing the game. What people want is a chat room where occasionally something happens.

Hunts let people stand around chatting, then use a couple abilities in a zerg and have no impact whatsoever on the fight. It's the same thing fates were before they got nerfed.

It's ok to like hunts ... but it's really just paying for a chat room with custom avatars.

That's... actually an interesting way to think of it. Well, I do like the gameplay elements (but it's all about finding the mob and getting your group there fast, not the mechanics of the mob), but the social aspect is a big part of it. But then, for an MMO, shouldn't it be?

It's really a shame the DF puts you with people you can't befriend.

But as with my OP... I like what they've done, and I hope we get more open world things to work together on.

[Rbstr]

I have fun with them too, as something to to more FC-wide when people aren't raiding or whatever.

But people need to mellow out about things getting pulled. Especially B-ranks, they're just not that big a deal.
There should probably also be some kind of cap on seals weekly and lower the myth/soldier rewards so the whole server isn't hunting at once anymore.

[odintius]

I turn off my /say and /tells when I do my hunts saves me from the headache later.

[silentwindfr]

the trouble is not the hunt, but the fact that the game outside dungeon and raiding don't offer much to do in group.
the addition of the hunt have give people a new thing to do, where the feature fail it's in the capacity to see it like a main activity more than something "you do when you found it".

if they had do it by making the dailies and weekly be leves/faction leves, the FATE boss be the rank B/A and add more Rank S while lowering the respawn time and balance a bit more the reward. the systeme will have spread the population throught different content and avoid to have massive huge zergfest.

i explain myself:
- the leves/faction leves, the advantage behind this one it's to allows player to do hunt when they want and with who they want. if they don't want to do hunt for 1 week and save them for later it can be done and by example use all this leves in 1-2 day of massive hunt. it allows to, to balance fight and bring higher challenge a la treasure hunt map monster.
- the FATE are already there, it will give people something to do between the respawn, and the people that want to hunt in mass can still do it.
- the rank S monster, will have become something better, while still keep the actual setting to find and compete against the other for get the reward. reducing the respawn will offer danger more often in the world.

what most people are complaining are not about the reward and the hunt, but how they have add it, it's poorly implemented and need more work. it was possible to offer an experience for any sort of player. the potential can go farer by adding hunt log for rare leves monsters, or add a category to the objective one to find rare monster with just the name as indication.

i deeply regret they haven't seen how good the systeme can be and simply did offer us something outdated and soo basic... worst it's the fact they did break the balance of the whole game with it. that sad in a way.

[Thayos]

You do the same thing again.

Yes, I did the exact same thing again! I voiced my opinion that people who do this are idiots, but also that they totally have the right to be (what I perceive to be idiots). Keep in mind that acting like an idiot doesn't make someone a D-bag... I'm sure people pull early with a wide range of intents. I still think it's dumb of them, but that's their prerogative.

We can keep going around like this, or you can stop cherry picking.