If locked gear progression is still valued, why do sands/oil still flow free in Hunts

[Krr]

Good thing Coil only drops Sand and Oil... wait. Same with ST, Oil isn't the only thing that drops there. You will not convince me, please, stop trying. Just because they let the cat out of the bag with Hunts, does not mean they need to make Second Coil and ST a free for all before the content itself is obsolete.

You're right; sand and oil aren't the only thing that drop from ST and SCOB. However, they give what are either inferior (i100 boss cosplay armor), or functionally equivalent (i110 High Allagan) rewards. There is an argument that High Allagan pieces are required for "BiS" gear, however, many Sands of Time and Oil of Time pieces are also BiS slot items, rendering both sets of gear functionally equivalent except for *possibly* High Allagan as cosmetic rewards.

I'm not interesting in convincing you. I'm interested in ensuring that accurate information is being engaged in the discourse. Anti-intellectually flooding the discourse with memetic phrases like "It's too early!" only furthers redundant and nonconstructive dialogue.

[ispano]

But that really is the thing, it IS too early. People don't like lockouts because they don't like being forced into static groups and other things that relate to that. But that always ignore the other problems with opening up the content to be ran constantly. Lockouts and the difficulty of the content are meant to slow down progression. They are meant to limit how many people clear during a given time, usually until the next big raid appears. They are used to limit content sellers. And there's more than that. You want to call what i'm saying anti-intellectual, then you need to start looking at the real negatives of your own suggestion before attacking what others are saying.

[Brannigan]

You really should have been limited to buying 1 sand/oil per week. Coil gives 2 of each per week for eight people. Sure, coil gives other rewards, but the hunt gives crazy myth and soldiery too and has vanity stuff.

[Nicobo]

Except even Yoshi said that Myth being on par with Allagan was a mistake in one of the letters. It's too early to open the flood gates like this honestly.

I think it was the real mistake when he said that was a mistake. ^^;

[Kagari_Asuha]

I think it was the real mistake when he said that was a mistake. ^^;

How is it a mistake? The top raid dungeon should drop the best gear, period.

[Nicobo]

You really should have been limited to buying 1 sand/oil per week. Coil gives 2 of each per week for eight people. Sure, coil gives other rewards, but the hunt gives crazy myth and soldiery too and has vanity stuff.

Cob2, main loot is HA gear, optional SOL upgrade
ST, main loot is ST gear, optional SOL upgrade
They are consistent.

For hunting, sand/oil is the main dish so they were there.
And it was too fun, definitely an END GAME content.

[skaterger]

You're right; sand and oil aren't the only thing that drop from ST and SCOB. However, they give what are either inferior (i100 boss cosplay armor), or functionally equivalent (i110 High Allagan) rewards. There is an argument that High Allagan pieces are required for "BiS" gear, however, many Sands of Time and Oil of Time pieces are also BiS slot items, rendering both sets of gear functionally equivalent except for *possibly* High Allagan as cosmetic rewards.

From a raiders perspective, I totally see where you are coming from. I think that the hunt system is terribly broken and screws over players who absolutely have no interest in doing them yet are forced to do so because that is the only way to progress if you are going for bis/have bad rng in coil. However I think removing lockout right now would not be the best idea.

1. While hunts are basically i110 handouts, killing a boss repeatedly every 5-10 minutes would be even more so

2. Many groups have not cleared t9 as yet. If the earlier turns were farmable, many groups would just get all their members to i110 before attempting t9, kinda trivialising it.

What I would like personally it that they increase the sands/oils drop rate so that we every raider in the group gets 1 oil and 1 sand for clearing coil that week. This would be about the same rate that a casual player can farm for sands and oils from hunts in a week. Give us more options and alternatives for doing things we actually enjoy and get rewarded for it, not run around like drug induced addicts trying to mutilate a poor bird.

Most importantly, have a good deep think about the purpose of the hunt system and ensure the same mistakes are not repeated in future patches.

[Nicobo]

How is it a mistake? The top raid dungeon should drop the best gear, period.

At the moment, we got 300cap for myth, YoshiP should had many explaination for the design, but not just said a mistake.
It was very disappointed to know that I was playing on something that was a mistake without more explaination ^^;

[Buklohn]

The main problem is yes hunting is too beneficial if you only grind 250 seals a day to buy a bloody book then your getting a sands or oil in 3 days. 3 days beats being loot locked out for a week like ct2 and coil 2. I'm not even going to mention the people who hunt all day everyday lol. But yeah hunting pretty much eliminated any reason for people to progress through the second coil as well as anyone working towards an novus weapon. Why would anyone want to spend millions on ridiculous priced materia IV's to upgrade their weapon when in days they can get and unweathered I110 weapon?

[Nicobo]

....Why would anyone want to spend millions on ridiculous priced materia IV's to upgrade their weapon when in days they can get and unweathered I110 weapon?

I am quite sure one of the reason was a lot of Novus were almost completed right before 2.3 ...^^;
Seriously, the reason not doing Novus just bcoz we foresee it will be able to obtain easier later.
IMO eventually everyone will have his Novus bcoz it would be required for next upgrade.