Bards need a buff

[SeraviEdalborez]

It's not even the lowest by that big of a margin.

[Riepah]

I'd like a proper Limitbreak for Bard, please. Either single target like melee dps, or area like casters, either would be nicer to have than this healer one that's hardly ever useful.

[Akesis]

It's not even the lowest by that big of a margin.

Not that big of a margin? Please show me a parse of a BRD competing with a 470-500 dps MNK. Too high? How about a 450-480 dps SMN. still too high? Now that BLM's got a buff, how about a 450+ dps BLM. no? I have seen parses of DRG's in the 450's + also. Please show me one (non photoshop) BRD pulling anywhere close to those kinds of numbers in a raid.

45 dps+ is a HUGE margin.

[SeraviEdalborez]

So you're admitting BRD can still do over 400 DPS (which would sound like blasphemy to most people). Problem?

Edit: To add...

500 DPS MNK: Only with another MNK DK'ing for them so they can Bootshine-only. Paeon probably helps (read: BRD-enabled).
450 DPS BLM: Extremely good player, and/or "inflates" numbers by using multiple Flares on well-placed add+boss. Requiem (BRD-enabled).

[DistraughtKoala]

Link your parses. lol.

[Kamifubuki-Yoakesetsuri]

Not that big of a margin? Please show me a parse of a BRD competing with a 470-500 dps MNK. Too high? How about a 450-480 dps SMN. still too high? Now that BLM's got a buff, how about a 450+ dps BLM. no? I have seen parses of DRG's in the 450's + also. Please show me one (non photoshop) BRD pulling anywhere close to those kinds of numbers in a raid.

45 dps+ is a HUGE margin.

Of course a DRG can pull 450+DPS
If you want to do so much dps why don't you become a mnk then? unless you want to give up your usefulness you won't be getting a buff in damage.

[Kuroyasha]

[Spiritus]

Ahh, Quality of buffs: Peaon-Junk ... Ballad - if your healers know what they are doing, you never need to sing it. Sure, I sing it from time to time during progression. .... Foe - yep. its a good one, lets keep it on the list. (2.5 support abilities)...."stuff about summoner rez" (to shorten the quote)

First to adress the bold, the vast majority of people working on SCoB are in progression parties(at least on my server), not t9 farm parties. So making dps buffon a class based on the a small percentage of the player base that is bored and wants an ego boost isn't going to happen. Also, for what possible reason do you need for a dps boost other than to say your not the bottom if your clearing the most difficult content. You could clear t8 with a group of only bard dps on the damage you're doing.

Now the other stuff:
1) Peaon's - How is this junk? Maybe I dont know, but I bard t8 sense we only need the one tank, but our monk/drg ask for Peaons' on the 3rd set of towers every time. Our group has been runing for about 8 weeks now, so some of our dps have gotten very weighted skill-speed sets atm, and dont have to option to switch around.

2) Ballad - issue adressed by the fact that it's bold, although granted our healers never ask for it now either. And before they only asked in case they died.

3) Foes - agreed it's good.

So still 3 viable options, at least for my group. But I MT everything else, so I don't always know the situation. t8 is the only turn Ive ever heard them ask for Peaons as well. Either way, my view doesnt change, bard has the most mobility, most usefull support to the majority of the player base. You can't really argue monks/drg support and "dmg while moving" when really its:
Dmg While Moving***


*** When within 3y of target

Edit cause of post limit

[Akesis]

Of course a DRG can pull 450+DPS
If you want to do so much dps why don't you become a mnk then? unless you want to give up your usefulness you won't be getting a buff in damage.

I never once said a BRD should do more dps then a "non-useful MNK/DRG". I said that there shouldn't be such a huge difference. DD classes are DD classes. Support is support. There are no support class in this game.

15 dps is a large margin... top end FC's sit people (and sometimes discharge them) for this kind of disparity within their respective jobs. Our 1.5 "useful" support abilities are not make or break a fight good. Do they come in handy? Sure. Are they required? No. Every one of these fights are tuned to be killed without a BRD in the party. I could live with bottom of the list, sometimes in the middle because of our "usefulness". However, please justify a 45-85 dps difference between DD's.

[Sleigh]

Not that big of a margin? Please show me a parse of a BRD competing with a 470-500 dps MNK. Too high? How about a 450-480 dps SMN. still too high? Now that BLM's got a buff, how about a 450+ dps BLM. no? I have seen parses of DRG's in the 450's + also. Please show me one (non photoshop) BRD pulling anywhere close to those kinds of numbers in a raid.

45 dps+ is a HUGE margin.

I think you're neglecting Foe's contribution to DoM in your party. Foe's can be quite a decent sustained buff if played constantly, and it is by rights attached to BRD if talking about class balance and justification for bringing a class.

Also, BRD can do pretty close to those 450s that DRG/SMN/BLM can pull if buffed with DRG. If you buff BRD DPS, discounting all their other major advantages outside of their low-ish damage not counting Foe's, DRG BRD BRD caster will become a pretty ridiculous comp and upset the current balance the DPS have, which is pretty good.