Bards need a buff

[Akesis]

BRD can silence (hi T2), has a good burst (don't tell me the opposite) and can deal FULL DAMAGE on the move and is ranged. Seriously, telling us "BLM can deal damage on the move" is a big joke, you're making it sounds like if the fights where you need to move a lot doesn't change anything. Stuns are useless in the new coil.

A MNK could solo silence T2. It took 2 BRDs, 1 BRD 1 PLD or 2 PLD to get them without a MNK. Not as useful as a MNK on that fight now is it? Thank you for adding to my point, I had forgotten about that example. The BRD can do "full damage while running around" argument is almost as bad as BRDs are a support class. Even with running around the entire fight a BLM who knows what they are doing with their job will out parse a BRD by 45+ dps with their new buff. DRGs and MNKs can both run around the mob like idiots the whole fight and I don't hear you mentioning them needing a nerf for movement.

Sure BRD does good burst. Amazing on a raid boss that isn't dead within the first 2 mins? BLM's burst is the highest in the game. SMNs burst can be higher also (situational of course) but, it can still be higher.

[Logistical]

[LunarEmerald]

Bard is the only job with instant burst. Everything else has wind up. All bard does is pop cds

[Askarya]

Bards are fine.. Yes maybe a monk does 80-90 dps more on t8 which is like hitting a dummy. But in EVERY other Turn Bards are way closer, although we're still last. If any class with comparable gear is lower than a Bard in any of the 4 Turns he's doing something wrong (sometimes it can be just fucking up your rotation even once that let's you drop below a bard).

But still with all the Utility we have it's fine. We will always have a safe spot in raids because of this.

I can pull 398 on T9 and yet I am the bottom of the list.

I would like to see a parse of that. :P Either that's a typo or you forget to add that this wasn't a kill attempt :P

15 dps is a large margin... top end FC's sit people (and sometimes discharge them) for this kind of disparity within their respective jobs.

Top FCs also know what which class is cappable of with the gear the people have. :P

Also, BRD can do pretty close to those 450s that DRG/SMN/BLM can pull if buffed with DRG.

EDIT: uhm yeah i was wrong here, a bard can get to 450 with a DRG in the group. My bad :x


TL;DR: Bards are fine, stop crying.


P.S.: Even if i say Bards are are fine i wouldn't mind if we get a buff :P

[Viridiana]

If you count in the contirbution to other classes from Foes we get higher. Without that nope a Bard won't get the 450 that easily, maybe in t8 with full BiS and a second Bard which handles the songs, otherwise no. never.

If you're going to count Foe damage toward BRD, you have to subtract out Disembowel damage and give it back to DRG. Otherwise you're just being inconsistent. Pretty sure that takes us back below 450, no?

[Askarya]

If you're going to count Foe damage toward BRD, you have to subtract out Disembowel damage and give it back to DRG. Otherwise you're just being inconsistent. Pretty sure that takes us back below 450, no?

Depends, if everyone is BiS and wouuld play perfectly we would still be over 450. A BRD is able to reach more than 400 if he doesn't need to sing paeon even without a DRG (assuming BiS gear ofc). Also assuming that you can use all your mp on Foes and don't need to sing anything else, the Boost for a BLM should be somewhere around 50-60 (you should theoretically be able to sing 3-4 times, 2 times voiced) maybe even a bit. Obviously you can also min-max this by trying to pair your voice with Buffs of the BLM etc.

[Ooshima]

I was pretty sceptical about 400+ DPS BRDs initially but after checking around with one of our FC's main team's BRD (Tonberry server 2nd T9 kill team), with ilvl110 BiS (High Allagan Bow) the max he can pull is 445, albiet that's a total 35% critical hit rate which is slightly higher than the average at around 24-25%

I'm running on Artemis Bow Novus (HA bow hasn't dropped for me) with two non BiS pieces (waiting for T8 pants and choker, never seen one for 10 weeks?) and 400 DPS is possible without DRG's debuff so far.

Just a point for all BRDs to note, when you compare numbers, compare it with similar amount of swings (aka number of hits) and with a similar critical hit rate. For example, compare parses over the same amount of minutes and seconds so that the number of attacks are within 3 hits of each other or so, and of course, comparable crit hit rate. No point comparing a parse where A's total average crit is 24% and the other chap is 35%.

[Askarya]

I'm running on Artemis Bow Novus (HA bow hasn't dropped for me) with two non BiS pieces (waiting for T8 pants and choker, never seen one for 10 weeks?)

I feel your pain. Although i have both of them on my alt -.-

Just a point for all BRDs to note, when you compare numbers, compare it with similar amount of swings (aka number of hits) and with a similar critical hit rate. For example, compare parses over the same amount of minutes and seconds so that the number of attacks are within 3 hits of each other or so, and of course, comparable crit hit rate. No point comparing a parse where A's total average crit is 24% and the other chap is 35%.

The Duration time... yes it should be around the same time, a different swing amount can come from fucking up your rotation OR from a different atkspeed on the weapon so you should still compare it if it has the same duration.
And you also should compare it if the critrate is different. Why? 1. That way you can see what could be the best and the worst case, this information isn't absolutely necessary but always nice to know. 2. Difference in critical hit rate. If those 2 have different gear (even if it's only 1 or 2 pieces) it can have a huge impact on the critrate.

[Alcyon1]

A MNK could solo silence T2. It took 2 BRDs, 1 BRD 1 PLD or 2 PLD to get them without a MNK.

Congratulations, a MNK can silence the whole T2 Now, let's compare the DPS between a MNK silencing and a BRD who isn't

The BRD can do "full damage while running around" argument is almost as bad as BRDs are a support class. Even with running around the entire fight a BLM who knows what they are doing with their job will out parse a BRD by 45+ dps with their new buff.

Yeah, with the buff on 2s casts

Sure BRD does good burst. Amazing on a raid boss that isn't dead within the first 2 mins?

Short DPS checks.

[Cassandaria]

Bard is a support DD, not a pure DD. SE already had to nerf them because of the whole moving and dps'ing thing so that nothing interrupted their moves. Also, a good rotation and you're still doing appreciable damage. Bards don't need a buff, they need you to realize they aren't pure dps and learn to utilize your support abilities to assist others. Your goal is to make everyone else better at their job, also you can GET a buff if you have a dragoon in the party doing their job which also allows others to do better as well!