Average item level calculation needs fixing, as does lv50 gear progression

[therpgfanatic]

I think your requirements for Hard mode Primals are too high though. Full Darklight and Garuda weapon was overkill for Titan HM even when it came out. As long as you have the HP to survive stomps and a decent weapon, you're fine.

I remember tanking Titan HM for my relic weapon in darklight with a GC weapon. It was by no means easy, and after all my cooldowns were popped, I had to time those Flashes perfectly to dodge Mountain Buster or we'd wipe. So there's no way you can convince me full Darklight was "overkill".

A tank can't have the HP to survive Titan's Mountain Buster + Bombs exploding near them while they are decked out in AF armour and some pre-lv 50 rings. Even with my own tank's gear (i93) I tend to have trouble if the bombs spawn in a weird pattern so that two are on top of me. Which I've noticed is happening more often than it used to .

Oh, and the DPS sure can't clear the heart phase either if they are in AF gear.

The biggest thing about Titan HM's difficulty is that you have to be 100% on the ball and if you have even the tiniest bit of latency he's going to knock you off the edge. He can also entrap one of your healers in a Gaol, which can result in a severely undergeared tank instantly getting KOed. But while you're dodging all that crap you also have to be clearing the DPS checks, which is why you need decent gear.

Even with 40% boost from Echo, by the time you get to that point you'll have 10 minutes on the clock and it's not enough time to beat Titan anyway.

But yeah the gear progression in this game makes no sense at all. By the time you are *actually* geared for a dungeon none of the loot it useful to you. I still don't understand why they got rid of Philosophy tomes.

[Vaara]

A tank can't have the HP to survive Titan's Mountain Buster + Bombs exploding near them while they are decked out in AF armour and some pre-lv 50 rings. Even with my own tank's gear (i93) I tend to have trouble if the bombs spawn in a weird pattern so that two are on top of me. Which I've noticed is happening more often than it used to .

Oh, and the DPS sure can't clear the heart phase either if they are in AF gear.

Well obviously full AF and low accessories isn't enough, but an average ilevel of 60ish was/is fine to do all HM primals as a DPS or Healer, providing you have HP and a decent weapon. I can't vouch for tanking gear personally, but I have managed to heal tanks with a mix of AF, 60 dungeon gear, and DL.

Not to mention you are also including Ifrit and Garuda in your rule, where at least one of them is doable in full AF.

[Grembo]

I remember tanking Titan HM for my relic weapon in darklight with a GC weapon. It was by no means easy, and after all my cooldowns were popped, I had to time those Flashes perfectly to dodge Mountain Buster or we'd wipe. So there's no way you can convince me full Darklight was "overkill".

A tank can't have the HP to survive Titan's Mountain Buster + Bombs exploding near them while they are decked out in AF armour and some pre-lv 50 rings. Even with my own tank's gear (i93) I tend to have trouble if the bombs spawn in a weird pattern so that two are on top of me. Which I've noticed is happening more often than it used to .

Full DL is way more than enough and i93 is just absurd.

Two+ bombs should never be a problem because you have the option to stand on just one :/

You know you can save Rampart and Sentinel for Mountain Buster? You've even got HG if it hits the fan.

Good gear is one thing but bad players are another, even as a i106 Tank I don't think i'd have the audacity to purposefully let multiple bombs hit me in the face.

I've watched Dragoons purposely leap off Titan's platform at the start of the battle.

Not even possible, nice imagination you got though kid.

[therpgfanatic]

Full DL is way more than enough and i93 is just absurd.

Two+ bombs should never be a problem because you have the option to stand on just one :/

You know you can save Rampart and Sentinel for Mountain Buster? You've even got HG if it hits the fan.

I think I've done the content enough to understand how the battle works, thanks.

The fact of the matter is DF throws you into a random PUG group. I can recall only two Titan HM's where a healer was able to focus on me without needing to also heal the DPS / rez people, which means I might actually be at half HP or less when those bombs double spawn on top of me and do so in such a way the only means of avoiding them would be to run behind Titan and have him blast the party members with his hitbox. And if you don't have amazing DPS (again, you likely won't) a Paladin will run out of cooldowns before Titan dies, even if you only use the cooldowns during the bomb phases. A lot of groups are still relying on a LB to clear the heart phase.

You'd do better in these type of conversations if you don't assume a random group of people people are going to be perfect robots who flawlessly execute a strategy together. That's incredibly rare, and that isn't how content should be designed. You have to afford a margin of error, or you end up with situations like lv 45 AF tanks trying to tank Titan HM.

[Viridiana]

A tank can't have the HP to survive Titan's Mountain Buster + Bombs exploding near them while they are decked out in AF armour and some pre-lv 50 rings.

That would put your average ilvl below 50; you're saying that it needs to be 70. That's a really big gap you aren't accounting for. I'm pretty certain he can be tanked in full Hoplite (plus one ring).

[melflomil]

That would put your average ilvl below 50; you're saying that it needs to be 70. That's a really big gap you aren't accounting for. I'm pretty certain he can be tanked in full Hoplite (plus one ring).

Yes he can most definitely, at this stage of the game SE probably thought that healers would put either stone skin or Aldloqium up. To help the tank while the tank uses cool downs.

[Viridiana]

Yes he can most definitely, at this stage of the game SE probably thought that healers would put either stone skin or Aldloqium up. To help the tank while the tank uses cool downs.

Stoneskin, Adlo, Virus, E4E, and all the tank CDs. Plus, y'know, you can always tank-swap if you bring in 2 tanks. . .

[Geobryn]

A tank can't have the HP to survive Titan's Mountain Buster + Bombs exploding near them while they are decked out in AF armour and some pre-lv 50 rings. Even with my own tank's gear (i93) I tend to have trouble if the bombs spawn in a weird pattern so that two are on top of me. Which I've noticed is happening more often than it used to .

you do realize there is always a safe spot for bombs in titan hm right ? so the only things you need to mitigate are rock buster followed by mountain buster, inner beast/pop cooldown after landslide => problem solved, you can even precast stoneskin as paladin and use flash as additional cooldown as well

[Taika]

you do realize there is always a safe spot for bombs in titan hm right ? so the only things you need to mitigate are rock buster followed by mountain buster, inner beast/pop cooldown after landslide => problem solved, you can even precast stoneskin as paladin and use flash as additional cooldown as well

Yeah, how about you just stop eating those bombs (and start stoneskining yourself if PLD).

It's funny you post about "doing the content so many times I know how it works" and then about eating 2 bombs as the tank.

When we originally ran Titan hard for relics, we asked all party members to have 3k HP and 5k HP for tanks. That meant AK gear (item level 55) combined with a couple of darklight pieces. And it was more than enough without the echo.