Patch 1.18: Miscellaneous Adjustments (07/14/2011)

[Alcide]

Well, say that THM would indeed get WHM, he would have no Cure, Protect, Shell, Poisona, Paralyna etc, which would make absolutely no sense if they want to keep the job somewhat traditional.

If the plan is to make THM a healer, they should, in my humble opinion, call it something else than WHM.

Well say that THM is BLM, he wouldn't have any elemental nuke... they still have to move some spells, the difference is that lore wise THM fits better WHM and CON is a perfect BLM.
Also the AoE are definitely toward CON>BLM, THM>WHM.

[Anonymoose]

Well say that THM is BLM, he wouldn't have any elemental nuke... they still have to move some spells, the difference is that lore wise THM fits better WHM and CON is a perfect BLM.
Also the AoE are definitely toward CON>BLM, THM>WHM.

See what I mean? Good points all around. Gonna be a challenge.

So since there is a "logical", but not an "exclusive" connection between jobs and classes, freedom would be maintained within reasonable constraints.

This could have been if not for the fact that, in an interview I'm too lazy to go dig up, I do believe that Yoshida-san did, in fact, say that it would be "One job per one class," and that if they did let jobs equip different weapons, it would be an afterthought and one that came a long way down the road.

[Mug]

I would give both WHM and BLM to CON. Everything else makes very little sense to me. I know what you mean about THM being the more appropriate healer, but I'd rather give their job a different name.

Hopefully it will all make sense in the end.

[Anonymoose]

That one crossed my mind early on as well, give both of them to CON and have THM be the glorious come-back of Time Mage - but then we run into another problem: If it is both WHM and BLM, then CON controls both polarities of the elements it commands - both light and darkness, good and evil, astral and umb- ah, crap.

[Alcide]

I agree with you, but we already know that for the moment we'll have only 1 job per class and we already know the mage's ones will be whm and blm :/ why when they have to make a choice they always seem to choose the dumbest solution? ; ;

[Rinsui]

This could have been if not for the fact that, in an interview I'm too lazy to go dig up, I do believe that Yoshida-san did, in fact, say that it would be "One job per one class," and that if they did let jobs equip different weapons, it would be an afterthought and one that came a long way down the road.

True, and I clearly remember that passage myself.

However, this leaves me out of logical solutions for the problem at hand. As such, I am just as interested in how they are going to pull off this stunt as you are.

(P.S.: I still believe that the scenario I painted above is the most likely one; but we'll see).

[Rinsui]

Ah, another reason for why THM is unlikely to be the WHM class.
In Japanese, THM is called 呪術士, which most literally translates to guy-who-uses-cursing-techniques. Not very WHM, is it?

P.S.: Which makes the English "Thaumaturge" the most contrieved and awkward translation they could have come up with in the first place. For reference, the proper translation for CON is "Illusionist". And as it stands, even "Elementalist" would have been more accurate than "Conjurer", which sounds like some sort of summoner to me.

[Synapse]

Spells they currently get might get switched, gained at higher lvl, or complete gone when they revamp the spell/skill set. They probably doing this temporarly for the dungeons and adjustments.

Regarding the WHMxBLM discussion, would be nice if the job gets a bonus for being that class, like being a CON would give bonus MATK, and WHM gets reduced recast on healing enhancing spells, so the jobs get specialized in certain area instead of having BLM be as good a healer as WHM.

[Mug]

If it is both WHM and BLM, then CON controls both polarities of the elements it commands - both light and darkness, good and evil, astral and umb- ah, crap.

It does seem a bit overpowered maybe, but then, CON already does this already.

[Mug]

I agree with you, but we already know that for the moment we'll have only 1 job per class and we already know the mage's ones will be whm and blm :/ why when they have to make a choice they always seem to choose the dumbest solution? ; ;

Well, I'm hoping that they just gave us the wrong names for the jobs. Or that WHM is just a temporary name, until they decide what to call it.