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    Ooshima's Avatar
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    Rui Ooshima
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez View Post
    How many fights is it that AoE damage taken so rapidly that the DR from Soil was absolutely needed for everyone to survive? Give Medica 2 and/or Whispering Dawn time to tick and you don't need to bother with Soil.

    If we're talking just for single-target mitigation, Soil is almost always worse than Lustrate. If I take 5 Bahamut's Claws and an autoattack for ~1800 apiece, Soil is reducing 180x6=1080 damage. A Lustrate will heal me (~7.6k hp) for 1900.
    Are you really a healer?

    "Mitigation" as it says is to reduce incoming damage. Medica II and Lustrate are reactive healing. Sacred Soil, Galvanize and Stoneskin are preventive healing (and thus, mitigation).

    Try not having galvanize and SS up for your i90ish DRG in T9 during progression and instead have Medica II on him, and see if he will survive Megaflare and you having chance to Lustrate him or not, lol...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ooshima View Post
    Are you really a healer?

    "Mitigation" as it says is to reduce incoming damage. Medica II and Lustrate are reactive healing. Sacred Soil, Galvanize and Stoneskin are preventive healing (and thus, mitigation).

    Try not having galvanize and SS up for your i90ish DRG in T9 during progression and instead have Medica II on him, and see if he will survive Megaflare and you having chance to Lustrate him or not, lol...
    If you're up to T9 progression with i90ish DPS, I congratulate you on being much better than the average bear. You have earned the right to use Soil if it prevents the DRG from dying.

    If he doesn't die without it, it still wasn't "worth" the stack. You have a good 10 seconds (counting the animation time for Megaflare) before Nael comes back down. Why would you burn a Lustrate on a DRG when nothing is going on anyways? Mitigation is mitigation, but mitigation a (arbitrary number) 5000 hit to your 4800 HP members when you have a year and a half to get them back to full? There's no point. You overheal everyone back to full with or without it. Do you heal?

    Because I do. SCH was my main up to Turn 9 phase 3 (have handled many Megaflare transitions without Soil, using Fey/Succor/Stoneskin[sometimes mine, sometimes WHM's]), then circumstances forced me to change to tank main and leave that task to another. He also agrees with me (posted in this topic).

    Soil can be a band-aid for when WHM forgets to Stoneskin everyone pre-Megaflare. But it is not required. You really only need 2-3 of: Succor, Stoneskin, Soil, Fey Covenant, better-than-i90 VIT. If "borderline" survivors are an issue, SCH can give them a real Adlo. We've gotten people to survive through double weakness if necessary. Without soil.

    If mitigation would have prevented outright death or death 1-2 seconds after the hit, you can argue it was worth using. Otherwise, better healers are better than Soil.

    Edit: Also not even having Galvanize up for Megaflare is really bad.
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    Last edited by SeraviEdalborez; 07-18-2014 at 02:25 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ooshima View Post
    Are you really a healer?

    "Mitigation" as it says is to reduce incoming damage. Medica II and Lustrate are reactive healing. Sacred Soil, Galvanize and Stoneskin are preventive healing (and thus, mitigation).

    Try not having galvanize and SS up for your i90ish DRG in T9 during progression and instead have Medica II on him, and see if he will survive Megaflare and you having chance to Lustrate him or not, lol...
    By the time you get to Megaflare if you don't have a Succor/Stoneskin while your waiting for it to cast, you need new healers.

    Don't judge other peoples healing when it seems you need to sort your own out.
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