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    Quote Originally Posted by Welsper59 View Post
    We, the players, are making the NMs a joke because we're sending 40+ people after something intended for 3-4.
    And sending 40+ people after NMs is possible because, as the OP said, the world is "tiny" and everything is within a minute distance from an aetheryte.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyrinn View Post
    And sending 40+ people after NMs is possible because, as the OP said, the world is "tiny" and everything is within a minute distance from an aetheryte.
    Not disputing that at all. I am however pointing out that 2/4 of his points are a fault of the players, rather than the base design of a zone by the devs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Welsper59 View Post
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    You're a player, so get to it and start fixing these player problems. Or invent a mind-control device that stops hundreds of thousands of people from following the path of least resistance.

    Or SE could invent systems that guide players along intended paths. Seems easier but idk other people are insisting that making hundreds of thousands follow rules with no enforcement is somehow the way things should be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarcasmMisser View Post
    You're a player, so get to it and start fixing these player problems. Or invent a mind-control device that stops hundreds of thousands of people from following the path of least resistance.

    Or SE could invent systems that guide players along intended paths. Seems easier but idk other people are insisting that making hundreds of thousands follow rules with no enforcement is somehow the way things should be.
    I firmly believe the idea that they can give players freedom and expect us to behave is a pipe dream. It worked in the past, for the most part, because the populous wasn't as large in the MMORPG community. Not anymore. They need to baby us and treat us like children if they expect us to play in a specific manner. That's not a joke btw, I truly believe that, and am reminded everyday by our peers of how much of a reality that is. Too much freedom gives the folks seeking to disrupt others for their own benefit reign over the masses. It's a sad reality.

    That being said, I was simply referring to the situation itself, rather than proposing some fairy tale fix to the matter that doesn't involve removing things we may abuse. Give the general base an inch, they'll take a mile. It's unfortunate that decent folk get caught in the mess, but that's how it is. We either put up with the bad or we remove the ability for the bad to happen (which also limits the freedoms of those who act decently).
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