Who is gonna raid now with the iLvl 110 gear handed to people??

[Dwill]

Basically it's "I don't want others to have what I do".

This argument has never been used before, really! It's more of a something like "You just didn't earn it". Because let's admit it, /afk'ing at Aetherytes/middle of the maps or /follow to whatever location was mentioned in whatever hunting linkshell(s) you happen to be in is just as much effort as having doing SCoB, right ?

It's pretty simple, unlimited Sands is a mistake and a handout. It's the equivalent of giving people heroinc raiding gear in WoW because they can't clear LFR.

To obtain Best in Slot, one needs only run Second Coil and those whom consider themselves raiders have done so for well over three months now. Those not raiding second coil are now gearing up in another method but will ~NOT~ have best in slot gear. They can then use their current upgraded gear IF THEY SO CHOOSE to run Second Coil and obtain best in slot before 2.4.

If you feel the need to show off how much better you are as a raider by numbers rather than actions you can wait until 2.4 then. Otherwise go ahead and fill your small country with all the 'bad' players. (since apparently a small country is around 2 million people or less?) Just remember who pays for the development of your next tier of shiny shiny loot that you want to rub in people's faces.

Let's be real, a lot of casuals are like migratory birds who stay for awhile until they no longer find the game fun but not until after they leave the game an empty husk without any depth of gameplay due to this very excuse.

WoW during its prime in WotLK had 12 millions members, much more than BC so you can guess who came along: casuals. There was actually a really good balance of hardcore content and casual content but the casuals were on a constant whining spree that the stuff was too hard, they should have access to all the rest of the content while not doing half the work for it. Blizzard fell for this crap and now, 2 expansions later siting at 7.x millions subs to date have they realized their mistakes and now they are trying to fix some parts of the mess they created it in their next expansion.

A good balance of both casual and hardcore content is required for a game to achieve maximum success yet anyone who dare suggests anything hardcore is quickly shut down by the casual player base under the excuse that they are deemed more important than the hardcore because of their numbers.

Yeah, real healthy for a game.

[Worm]

Let's be real, a lot of casuals are like migratory birds who stay for awhile until they no longer find the game fun but not until after they leave the game an empty husk without any depth of gameplay due to this very excuse.

Please Dwill tell us more about exactly how all MMORPGs work and how you know the million dollar formula for success.

[Nel_Celestine]

It's pretty simple, unlimited Sands is a mistake and a handout.

A good balance of both casual and hardcore content is required for a game to achieve maximum success yet anyone who dare suggests anything hardcore is quickly shut down by the casual player base under the excuse that they are deemed more important than the hardcore because of their numbers.

If you look not only at what I've posted in the past but listen to my podcast as well, you will see I am supportive of more options for endgame and that the sands behind handed out like candy was a mistake especially with people cheating their way to get them asap. However, non-raiders (Casual and mainstream alike) want to feel a sense of progression, not a barrier. Raiders however are the bleeding edge of content. I mean heck, they technically got a HARDER second coil this patch. Considering this is the THIRD patch that's a rather big deal.

[Krr]

WoW during its prime in WotLK had 12 millions members, much more than BC so you can guess who came along: casuals. There was actually a really good balance of hardcore content and casual content but the casuals were on a constant whining spree that the stuff was too hard, they should have access to all the rest of the content while not doing half the work for it. Blizzard fell for this crap and now, 2 expansions later siting at 7.x millions subs to date have they realized their mistakes and now they are trying to fix some parts of the mess they created it in their next expansion.

I can't even begin to tell you how revisionist this narrative is. Post-Wrath WoW wasn't too easy; it was too twelve-damn boring and dry and Ghostcrawler couldn't get his head out of his rear when people told him the talent revamp totally ruined several specs.
The godawful lazy nostalgia design and obsessive recycling of dungeons and bosses nobody wanted to see or cared about again is what screwed up post-Cataclysm WoW, not some mystic plague of casuals that wanted to do ICC10 right before it became obsolete.

[Black91CRX]

This argument has never been used before, really! It's more of a something like "You just didn't earn it". Because let's admit it, /afk'ing at Aetherytes/middle of the maps or /follow to whatever location was mentioned in whatever hunting linkshell(s) you happen to be in is just as much effort as having doing SCoB, right ?

Have you even tried Hunting? There's alot of effort involved. Try getting to a mark before it's dead.