Who is gonna raid now with the iLvl 110 gear handed to people??

[Illya]

Way to avoid the question. Do you think it is fair for WoW heroic raiders to only perform 10% than people who do LFR?

I think any reasonable person would say no. But the entitlement culture grows strong in MMO's.

No one here cares about what WoW does. But since you know so much about WoW you know how many players in WoW actually raid. It's a small percentage of the population, despite the very structured tiering of raid rewards. The fact is only a small number of MMO players are in it for the e-peen like you. Most MMO players play MMOs for other reasons. If you love the WoW raid tiering system so much, go play WoW. No one here will miss you.

[Zarzak]

then they need to nerf BCoB T5 first, in order to let more ppl enter SCoB.

endgame content in general is too hard for 90% of the players. don't use yourself and your FC friends as a standard. I think it's very dumb to create new content that only 5-10% of the playerbase can do. ok let's make half of the content super hard to make 10% of the players keep subscribing and screw the other 90% who can't enjoy these content because they're bad players!! I don't think it's gonna work in the long-term. so having optional i110 gears for casuals is the right thing to do.

No. This is the EASIEST end game content any remotely successful MMO has had pretty much ever.

The ONLY things people have to do to beat T5 is

1. move when Twintania starts casting the spell known as "twister"
2. move under twin if you have a conflag symbol on your head
3. move to the marked spot if you have a fireball on your head (or not move at all if you do that strat)
4. move when Twintania starts to cast divebomb


I'm sorry but this "people can't do the content because it's too hard" excuse isn't going to fly. If someone can't beat this simple event with 20% stats AND a extra 10+ ilvls (aka healing, tanking, and dps is no issue and the only thing to do is follow 4 mechanics) then they aren't simply bad. They aren't even trying. Takes more coordination to drive yourself to work in the morning. "omg a red circle on that light what do I do!?!?!?!?!"

For your benefit though I will provide a step by step set of instructions for Turn 5.

Step 1: Tanks engage pick one of the adds and do your rotation until it dies.
Step 2: move to another add and repeat.
Step 3: move to the last add and repeat.
Step 4: move to Twintania and do your rotation
Step 5: Collar piece falls off. Hold until someone gets a red triangle over their head. If you go to step 6a. If not go to step 6b.
Step 6a: Move to designated fireball drop point (likely a pile of pets/OT or a stack of dps on your assigned side)
Step 6b: Move to Twintania and continue your rotation.
Step 6: Blue circle goes out on someone's head. If you go to step 7a. If not go to 7b.
Step 7a: Move under twintania in the middle of her target ring.
Step 7b: Take a couple steps back to ensure you do not end up inside conflag. Target and dps conflag once it appears.
Step 8: DPS conflag until someone gets a red triangle over their head. If you go to step 9a. If not go to step 9b.
Step 9a: Move to designated fireball drop point (likely a pile of pets/OT or a stack of dps on your assigned side)
Step 9b: Continue dpsing conflag until it dies.
Step 10: Once conflag is dead go back to dpsing Twin.
Step 11: Blue circle goes out on someone's head. If you go to step 12a. If not go to 12b.
Step 12a: Move under twintania in the middle of her target ring.
Step 12b: Take a couple steps back to ensure you do not end up inside conflag. Target and dps conflag once it appears. This is a short conflag pop short burns and dps conflag until it dies.
Step 13: repeat Steps 6-12 until a 2nd collar piece drops.
Step 14: Move to divebomb position (designated before pull)
Step 15: When green circle appears (or if you have Twin on focus as soon as she appears back on focus target) run forward 10 steps.
Step 16: Move back to divebomb position.
Step 17: Repeat steps 15 and 16 two more times.
Step 18: Target large snake in middle and while positioning at divebomb position dps for 45 seconds.
Step 19: Repeat steps 15 and 16 two more times while continuing to dps large snake.
Step 20: Repeat step 15 but this time continue running forward following the tanks and dpsing the large snake.
Step 21: Kill large snake. (don't worry about small snakes Mr. Melee the casters will handle them)
Step 22: stand in one of the previously dropped collar pieces until Twin finishes her cast.
Step 23: Attack Twin until she begins to cast Twister.
Step 24: Once twister begins casting run without crossing your own or anyone elses path until cast finishes.
Step 25: Go back to dpsing Twin while avoiding any green markers on the ground you may see.
Step 26: Dreadknight will spawn in the middle of the room. Run away from it until it has picked its target. If you go to step 27a. If not go to 27b.
Step 27a: Your stun locked. Enjoy the break to regen some TP and cheer your fellow dps on for keeping you from dying a horrible death.
Step 27b: One of your friends is stun locked!!!! Shoulder Tackle or Jump to that mean Dreadknight and kill it before your poor friend meets an untimely death.
Step 28: Repeat steps 23-27 until the final piece of collar drops.
Step 29: No more of those annoying twisters or Dreadknights! DPS twintania to victory! If she starts shooting fireballs at you see Step 30.
Step 30: FIRE RUN!!!!!!! (until it stops at least then back to Step 29!)

[Exstal]

No one here cares about what WoW does. But since you know so much about WoW you know how many players in WoW actually raid. It's a small percentage of the population, despite the very structured tiering of raid rewards. The fact is only a small number of MMO players are in it for the e-peen like you. Most MMO players play MMOs for other reasons. If you love the WoW raid tiering system so much, go play WoW. No one here will miss you.

It's called an example.

[Xystic]

Snip

I don't recall many FCs destroying twintania prior to the nerf.

[Zarzak]

who might not be performing quite to your standards.

The problem with people is not that they don't perform to other raiders standards. They don't perform to the standards of these undertuned events.

Could fill a small country with people who can't manage things like "look away when you have voice and don't stand near other people and get fireballed"

or even better a small country of people in ilvl 100 gear who are pulling 200 dps.

[Nekodar]

I've been doing hunts for two days and only have 300 seals to show for it. Where's my handout?

The handouts are obviously only for people that cheat, pull early and does everything they can to prevent others from getting credit from elite marks. Oh, and also have no life so they can run around killing elite marks all day long.

[cryptic_angel]

No one here cares about what WoW does. But since you know so much about WoW you know how many players in WoW actually raid. It's a small percentage of the population, despite the very structured tiering of raid rewards. The fact is only a small number of MMO players are in it for the e-peen like you. Most MMO players play MMOs for other reasons. If you love the WoW raid tiering system so much, go play WoW. No one here will miss you.

It was an example. If I obviously cared so much about wow, I would be playing that game.

But dodge the question, it's a simple yes or no answer. Do you think it is fair for WoW heroic raiders to only perform 10% than people who do LFR? Is it really fair the more dedicated players who invested much more than the average player only have a 10% performance boost to show for it be the only lasting reward?

There is some real mental gymnastics in this thread protecting such strong entitlement. I wish people like you were in charge of the world, I could go pick up my free BMW just for venturing outside of my house.

[Tiggy]

Way to avoid the question. Do you think it is fair for WoW heroic raiders to only perform 10% than people who do LFR?

I think any reasonable person would say no. But the entitlement culture grows strong in MMO's.

Yes, it's fair. Only those entitled feel like they deserve more. It's not that big of a deal. Like I said. Get over it.

For the record I do raid. I'm currently practicing T9 with my static. I don't care if my friends with less time get i110. I'll have better gear in the end that looks far more badass than the soldiery gear, I will have had a great experience playing with my friends, I will have experienced a part of the story before most of the player base, I will have had fun tackling a challenging encounter and coming out on top. It's not all about having a bigger number.

You seem to think entitlement only goes one way. Players feel entitled to get easy good gear seems to be your opinion.
I'm here to inform you it swings both ways. You clearly feel entitled to better gear than others.

The entitlement is strong in this one.

[Zarzak]

It was an example. If I obviously cared so much about wow, I would be playing that game.

But dodge the question, it's a simple yes or no answer. Do you think it is fair for WoW heroic raiders to only perform 10% than people who do LFR? Is it really fair the more dedicated players who invested much more than the average player only have a 10% performance boost to show for it be the only lasting reward?

There is some real mental gymnastics in this thread protecting such strong entitlement. I wish people like you were in charge of the world, I could go pick up my free BMW just for venturing outside of my house.

THE HELL!?!?!?!?! I HAVE TO VENTURE OUTSIDE MY HOUSE FOR MY BMW!!?!?!?!?!?!?


I DEMAND IT BE PUT IN MY GARAGE FOR ME BECAUSE I WOKE UP TODAY!!!!


/sarcasm off

Yes please entitled generation take over the country and give me my paycheck for doing absolutely nothing but showing up.



Funny how it's a surprise these days when you suggest something like "the more effort you put in the more you get back"

[Krr]

I've been doing hunts for two days and only have 300 seals to show for it. Where's my handout?

Hidden inside the A- and S-rank pinatas, waiting for the RNG god to deem that a bloodied log falls into your inventory six times in a row.