SE, Stop promoting AFK gameplay.

[Gallus]

Well after seeing the OP act like a child for the last 2 pages I can't really defend/agree with them anymore.

More childish or less childish than this kind of stuff?

So you're going to continue to do them, but complain about it on the forums? Enjoy. Sounds like you're spending your time wisely.

I get fun from it. That's why I do Frontlines.

I know, shocking aint it?!

So if you don't play the game for fun, why do you play it?

You are simply trying to find an easy way out because this is not those free to play IOS/Android application games where you can just dump in cash to get what you want instantly. MMORPG rewards their players if we put in time and effort.

[Gallus]

And more nice words for the OP:

Is KMS supposed to be killamalms, because with the ilm malm yalm thing, I don't think Eorzea would suddenly switch to metric?
Or maybe it was just you trying to bring up a novus weapon so you could brag, do you want a cookie? Also saying someone that likes something you don't, the atma grind, as having

really just goes to show what type of person you really, I hope you have fun with your Novus, and I am going to guess your 37 cats.

And if the OP gets offended and answers those kind of replies in a not so polite way, then the OP is a child. Seriously dude, with friends like you, nobody needs enemies.

[Gallus]

You know, Id take that requirement over the current Atma RNG Grind. At least I will get enjoyment out of watching my Lala silly dancing and not have to kill the same fates for hours on end, hoping to see a single item drop. And yes, my RNG luck is horrible more often than not.

I know, I would take dancing the manderville for the next 500 hours over the atma grind any day of the week, but I just wanted to put an example of an absurdly mindless grind and that's the first thing that crossed my mind.

[Magis]

More childish or less childish than this kind of stuff?

Umm, how are any of those posters "childish"? You have literally posted 4 pages of whining over nothing. You seem to not like atma grinding, the posters said you don't have to do it, how is that childish? Childish doesn't mean "the other person doesn't agree with me".

[DoctorPepper]

More childish or less childish than this kind of stuff?

Haha, don't get me wrong, I'm not defending them either. I just think you could have reacted a little differently, you don't fight fire with fire. You really shouldn't let things offend you so easily.

[Divinemight]

Umm, how are any of those posters "childish"?.

It is because OP felt hurt that he is unable to winning support for his complaint. What else? He just want item to be hand to him on top of a silver plate then he can either move to next or complain that the game is "lacking of contents". All MMORPG is a timesink and players only will be reward after putting time and efforts.

[Gallus]

Well I'm not a stone, and I'm just honest about what I feel and what I see, and if there's something I don't like I say it, just like the atma grind. Agree or disagree with me, but I'll never get used to this kind of random stuff you are thrown from everywhere when you complain about something to the point people even start correcting your grammar mistakes (glad it didn't happen this time)? I never understood the sense of that. I mean, whenever I come to this forum or any other forum, I look for stuff I'm interested in, I'm not going to start looking for those posts I disagree with the TC and tell those people they are stupid, but hey, again, that's just me, what do they say? Different strokes for different folks or something like that?

[Divinemight]

Well I'm not a stone, and I'm just honest about what I feel and what I see, and if there's something I don't like I say it, just like the atma grind.

They are offering you alternatives, but you are calling them childish. Yea sure, but I will keep my politness in front of your rudeness. You can always punish S/E by not subscribe. How about that? This is the most effecive way of telling a game company that they are doing something wrong. Players did to S/E at FF14 1.0. You can always do that again, but out of curiosity, how many of players are sharing same opinion as you are? Only 5% of playerbase will effectively use fourm, and I already fail to see that you are winning support within this 5% fourm users.

[Razzle]

agreed. Grinding is completly fine. I dont mind running bosses and dungeons endlessly, but these endless zergfest content called fates and "hunts" are completly boring to me and I'm not planning to participate in the hunt. If hunts had mobs like on leves, where only the party gets to fight, it would be pretty fun.

running for 10 minutes to reach a hunt mob just to find it dead = not fun
fighting a hunt mob for 10 minutes = fun

The amount of time spent is the same, the differenace is that one makes you want to play the game, and the other makes you want to watch TV ( > . >

Also Gallus, dont pay attention to the whiteknight trolls lol, luckily they're not the one developing the game What's imporant is that SE read your feedback, you dont need to care about what others say

[DoctorPepper]

I'm not going to start looking for those posts I disagree with the TC and tell those people they are stupid

I'll stop you right there.. the majority of people who are in here are simply disagreeing with you, they are not calling you stupid. The fact is you came to a forum that revolves around a game that people, including yourself, are very passionate about. If somebody sees an idea on the official forum that they do not agree with and that they do not want to see changed they have every right to disagree with you and attempt to make valid points around why they disagree with you. The same goes for you coming here and posting your thoughts, you have every right and initially I even agreed with the things that you were saying but then you let it become personal which is where I stopped agreeing.

The point of a forum is to express ideas and discuss them, just because somebody disagrees does not mean they are calling you stupid. I'll admit that there are a fair share of trolls on here who will say anything to try and get under your skin but it's your choice whether you allow them to do that or not. Acting like they act is not going to help your initial idea so it's best to put your efforts towards proving your point and not having little spats of insults with those people.