SE, Stop promoting AFK gameplay.

[Aushi]

Atma was a fun relaxing grind to do when there was nothing else (and you still got atma pretty quickly compared to prev. MMO grinds), and I don't see anything wrong with the myth book grind, especially now due to buffs to how many you gain.

"Pretty quickly" Please tell me your secret? >_> I've been trying to get atma for I don't even know how long, and I've only gotten three...

With that said, you (the OP) chose to the grind, like me. There's plenty of other options to get high level gear. Coil, ST... and I don't know what else, but there are! xD Someone with proper knowledge has probably mentioned it already. There's plenty of options to get better gear, if you don't like the grind, just choose another option?

[Moqi]

FATEs pop quite frequently. I only waited around 2 hours once. I'm now on my 6th book and I never waited more than 10-20 minutes for a FATE to pop, and I spent that time crafting/doing other things in the area.

[Sapphic]

And what do you get from playing frontlines?

I get fun from it. That's why I do Frontlines.

I know, shocking aint it?!

I didn't find Wolves den fun, even with having rewards. You know what? I didn't do it after a few games and saw I didn't like it.

[Gallus]

I get fun from it. That's why I do Frontlines.

I know, shocking aint it?!

Beautfiul argument, except it's a bit overused and does not match the reality. There's a great incentive when you are playing an MMO to obtain high end game gear, the incentive is there, if you completely remove it, people don't care. How many Brutal ScOB threads have you seen? Is it because it's better designed than anything else? Probably it has some flaws/bugs or w/e, but guess what? People don't care...because you get nothing. You can either accept the reality, or live in your own cloud where you keep repeating yourself that you do things just because they are so fun and they have nothing to do with the reward behind them. Sad truth is, no one's doing hunts because it's fun, 99% of the people do them because they are an easy way to obtain sands and oil, end of the story.

[Mcshiggs]

Beautfiul argument, except it's a bit overused and does not match the reality. There's a great incentive when you are playing an MMO to obtain high end game gear, the incentive is there, if you completely remove it, people don't care. How many Brutal ScOB threads have you seen? Is it because it's better designed than anything else? Probably it has some flaws/bugs or w/e, but guess what? People don't care...because you get nothing. You can either accept the reality, or live in your own cloud where you keep repeating yourself that you do things just because they are so fun and they have nothing to do with the reward behind them. Sad truth is, no one's doing hunts because it's fun, 99% of the people do them because they are an easy way to obtain sands and oil, end of the story.

So if you don't play the game for fun, why do you play it?

[Divinemight]

Beautfiul argument.

Let's see, what am I getting from Frontline?

1. Myth Tome and Solidery Tome
2. PvP exp for more PvP actions (Main motivation) and PvP gears (Secondary motivation). Dont tell me PvP gear is useless, I can either cosplay or save it for future once they installed ladder system for Wolf's Den
3. Friendships if you have joined a PvP linkshell. You getting to know more people. Social aspec is also crucial in MMO gaming.
4. Fun (Most important factor)

I get much more from Frontline than you can imagine. You wait for 5 mins on top during prime time to que in a match and you are enjoying yourself for 15 mins match. I am getting Myth tomes more than I need (already exchanged 2 full sets: WAR and BLM) while I am having fun. Keep whinning.

[Gallus]

So if you don't play the game for fun, why do you play it?

Where did I say I don't play the game for fun.

[Divinemight]

Where did I say I don't play the game for fun.

You are simply trying to find an easy way out because this is not those free to play IOS/Android application games where you can just dump in cash to get what you want instantly. MMORPG rewards their players if we put in time and effort.

[Mcshiggs]

Where did I say I don't play the game for fun.

Your entire post was telling a person that said they play something for fun was an excuse that's a bit overused.

[Gallus]

Your entire post was telling a person that said they play something for fun was an excuse that's a bit overused.

And it is? But that doesn't mean I don't play the game for fun? Who in here doesn't play the game for fun? I think it's already implied ALL OF US PLAY THE GAME FOR FUN, what other reasons could we have? But one thing does not exclude the other. Rewards are PART of the fun and play a big role on many people's motivation to play certain content.