FFXIV: Cheat 2 Win - The New Norm?

[AtomX]

So you have admitted to having third party software, and that you have used it in the past with the parser, so we both agree you should be banned.

You must be thick, even if pyreflye said they used a parser there are quite a few posts from Yoshi saying it's fine. If he ever changed his stance then I think we would all agree those using it would stop or risk the ban. Just because you think they should be banned for it does not make it so.

[LadyVal]

You must be thick, even if pyreflye said they used a parser there are quite a few posts from Yoshi saying it's fine. If he ever changed his stance then I think we would all agree those using it would stop or risk the ban. Just because you think they should be banned for it does not make it so.

"Although we will continue to monitor game data to ensure that similar illegitimate practices are not being used, we would like to remind players that using third-party programs, parsers, or other tools to conduct actions players would not normally be able to do in the game is a violation of the Terms of Service, and will be dealt with strict disciplinary action. "

From an official news bulletin here:

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...948.1402212480

If you Google it as well, there are many threads on Reddit about people complaining about being banned for saying in chat they use a parser, or more specifically, the FF14ARR app.

[ZanzhizExaverion]

To be fair, SE did wait like 2+ years to ban anyone for the mass dupe glitch even though they knew it was happening and was aware of the glitch.

To be fair they hit everyone who did at once, so they obviously spent a lot of man hours finding out who and when, and gavel'd them all on the spot.
What happened? These people who got hit - most of the elitists, mind you - started crying all over the social websites.

Nine times out of ten the people who abuse these use them for personal gain, and is why they're always ahead of the curb. Hence why Bluegartr is like lol look at dis app. Also why we're hearing about high end Free Companies abusing them as well. We all know you do, some of you stream with them active like it isn't even against the ToS.

The same people defending this will be the ones crying because there's no defending it unless you use it yourself. Render distance or not, that monster is behind the rock you may pass by. Wide Scan doesn't exist in this like it did in 11.

[Souljacker]

I am not advocating for third-party programs, DPS meters, or anything else, but it's an unavoidable fact that a very significant portion of the playerbase wants certain things and will turn to a third party for them if they are unavailable, as they have in this game.

I'd like to add my support for a sanctioned add on channel like other modern games have. The ability to TRULY customize the UI ala Bartender and a lightweight DPS meter are things that make the experience so much more enjoyable. I think that SE's stance is largely because of their dedication to the Playstation platform. As long as they are supporting playstation, SE isn't going to let us have anything that could potentially give us an "edge" over them (nevermind the fact we already have one in terms of better hardware, peripherals, and interface).

It's unfortunate, but I'm not holding my breath on it unless the PC market really blows up the subscriptions and people come out in force asking for it. I'm not sure we even have the numbers tbh.

[Tupsi]

If SE had launched the game with addon support, or had at least implemented it on schedule, this wouldn't be nearly as big of an issue.

I can promise you SE wouldn't have allowed something to offer you an advantage to be on their game nor would they OFFICIALLY support it by adding it to the PS3/PS4 version of the game. They would allow something like a DPS meter, but something to offer advantages over people who don't/can't use it? Nope.

Far fewer people would be willing to install a third-party program if they could get those things through a first-party sanctioned channel.

Hmm...no because the officially supported addons won't offer you things that 3rd party programs do and will - For example SE will never support pos hacking, speed hacking, auto routing to nodes (basically botting) or anything to offer advantages meaning 3rd party programs will still be very much used as they'll offer what SE will not support.

Look at MMOs with add-on support, then look up how many hacks/bots exist for said MMO.

I'd like to add my support for a sanctioned add on channel like other modern games have. The ability to TRULY customize the UI ala Bartender and a lightweight DPS meter are things that make the experience so much more enjoyable. I think that SE's stance is largely because of their dedication to the Playstation platform. As long as they are supporting playstation, SE isn't going to let us have anything that could potentially give us an "edge" over them (nevermind the fact we already have one in terms of better hardware, peripherals, and interface).

It's unfortunate, but I'm not holding my breath on it unless the PC market really blows up the subscriptions and people come out in force asking for it. I'm not sure we even have the numbers tbh.

Might want to do your research - I know PC is the "Master race" and all, but they stated themselves they have the ability to implement add ons to the PS3/PS4 version, especially the PS4 version if they feel it wouldn't hurt the game balance. They stated this when they first mentioned adding add-on support.

[Pyreflye]

The game released with TOS saying all third party software was prohibited, so it doesn't matter what time frame it was, if you used it in this game, it was against TOS. Saying you didn't use it after the official announcement means nothing, it was against the rules before and after anyone said anything about them.

Wrong.
Yoshi himself said that parsing software was 100% A-OK.

It was only until recently (a couple of months) where they were explicitly stated as banned.

Talk it up all you want, mate.

[Tupsi]

Wrong.
Yoshi himself said that parsing software was 100% A-OK.

It was only until recently (a couple of months) where they were explicitly stated as banned.

Talk it up all you want, mate.

No he didn't - He said if you're using it don't mention it since he knows regardless people will use it and it is 100% punishable if you're using a parser to harass other players. This was said even prior to launch.

[Pyreflye]

No he didn't - He said if you're using it don't mention it since he knows regardless people will use it and it is 100% punishable if you're using a parser to harass other players. This was said even prior to launch.

The announcement of parsers being officially banned was on 03/04/2014.
Prior to this date, parsers were widely used, and always considered to be fine to use

[Dashuto]

Wrong.
Yoshi himself said that parsing software was 100% A-OK.

It was only until recently (a couple of months) where they were explicitly stated as banned.

Talk it up all you want, mate.

Boy are you in for a surprise soon.

[Raikki]

I can promise you SE wouldn't have allowed something to offer you an advantage to be on their game nor would they OFFICIALLY support it by adding it to the PS3/PS4 version of the game. They would allow something like a DPS meter, but something to offer advantages over people who don't/can't use it? Nope.

Hmm...no because the officially supported addons won't offer you things that 3rd party programs do and will - For example SE will never support pos hacking, speed hacking, auto routing to nodes (basically botting) or anything to offer advantages meaning 3rd party programs will still be very much used as they'll offer what SE will not support.

The vast majority of people using third-party programs do so because they want the basic features that would normally be available via a sanctioned first-party addon system. If you gave them those features in a regulated environment they would never have installed a third-party program and would be far less likely to "cross the line" and install one over something grey area/"cheating" like this.

Purely as a thought experiment: imagine you have a broken video game and the only way to fix it is with a Game Genie code. So you purchase a Game Genie, apply the code, and can play the game. However, now you've got a Game Genie and there a whole bunch of other codes you can apply, say, god mode or unlimited ammo. Are you more or less inclined to take advantage of those extra codes, having already obtained a Game Genie, than someone who does not have a Game Genie in the first place and would have to obtain one first?