FFXIV: Cheat 2 Win - The New Norm?

[OPneedNerfs]

Let's not forget why the app was released in the first place. That's right, parsing. Just that with the need for parsing, these apps had to read from memory. However, what is being read from memory was figured out by people who would condone cheating. What better way to cheat than with an app that is undetectable? Add in the fact that this app has become so widespread because of its intended use, it has become so that an actual undetectable cheating app has become easily available to a large majority of the playerbase.

[Pandastirfry]

Why not? Frontlines had a response after 1, maybe 2 days. :P

Because the notable difference is one was an internal fault that could be easily found and rectified (with a band-aid hotfix and the actual true fix isn't coming for another week), the other is an external exploit that requires figuring out how exactly it can and does interface with the game.

I'll leave it to the reader to work out which is which.

[Mahri]

Two very specific things that need to be said on the subject:

1. There will always be those that attempt to cheat, and even make it their goal to find every possible way to do so, whatever the cost.

2. Any game company worth their salt is waging a constant battle against this, but the proceedings, shy of the occasional mass ban-wave, are going to be largely invisible to players because the less cheaters know that the devs are on to them, the better chances the devs have to both catch them off guard and break whatever methods they were using to cheat.

It is an ugly and complicated affair, and probably the least fun aspect of managing a game like this (excluding perhaps the vindictive satisfaction of wielding the banhammer when the time finally comes), but never stop reporting, and never let the discussion die -- just keep it proactive and constructive.

"Why doesn't Square-Enix ever do anything about cheaters?" is not a constructive statement.

[Pyreflye]

There's a pretty hilarious amount of ignorance when it comes to this FFXIV App Radar.
I'm not a user myself, but I at least researched it before I went to an internet forum to complain.

The OP is nothing but an intentionally vague outline of the app which misguides those reading into thinking it's a hack, or something that allows players to instantly find every hunt monster.
It isn't.

The app doesn't find every mark on the map or in the zone, it cannot detect beyond the draw distance set by the game. It is not a be all, end all method of finding hunt marks.
I am not disputing that it gives an advantage, it does.
However, the only advantage it gives is the ability to see things that are outside your field of vision (ie. behind you)

[Evenstar]

I looked into this too after all this whining and if I am understanding it right it only shows the mobs in the area of your minimap. So like you said, it is only an advantage if there is a mob behind you or around a corner. It is not like you can stay in the middle of the map and see everything pop.

Don't get me wrong, not saying it is ok to use it, it is still cheating, but people make it sound way worse than it is.

[Celenia]

The only thing what you can do to get seals faster: MAKE A FRIEND. Join with their community, share with other, and respect them. You will be surprised, you will get lot of seals in no time. What do they need from you ? Active, be supportive, respect other, and don't backstab each other.

PROFIT ?

ps: I see almost every server have more than 15 hunt LS which is full/almost full. It is 128 * 15 = 1920. Let's take it only 1/3 active. It is still 640 players. Imagine if you are part of that community, and every player spreads around the map, waiting for you when they find a mark and kill it together. This is what really going on and it beats "that way" by 99:1 (community power:"that way" power).

Do you need to use "that way" if you have this powerful tool (Friend, community itself) ? NOPE.

Hunt is about community power. If you find a good hunt party, stick with it, try to active. And you will surprised how fast you get seals (and lost your gil >.<).

[Mindylou]

no matter how slight the radar advantage is, its innately against the TOS, ban em all. soon.

hunts are designed terrible atm yes a ls full of members alerting others to converge 35 ppl n a low rank mob to have no one get any credit lol...brilliant, just outstanding community power. I DO think its great the ls are there with very good intentions but the basic design of these nm is FLAWED , that's what needs to be addressed very very soon before it jades too many customers.

ban the cheaters
fix the elites
add alternate ways to pop them as well as wandering ones and this would finally be a decent thing to participate in

[TeganLaron]

How's about we actually give the Devs time to address this. Because an exploit like this will most likely not only need mass bans, but also a update that will "break " the app.

So how's 'bout we all calm down, and not act like "Oh woe! Nothing will EVER get done about this!" after 4 freakin' days.

I agree to a degree, but those 4 little days already have people with more Sands and Oils than they could ever have dreamed of from abusing this app. If it goes on too long I dread to think how this could end up.

[Wolfram_Alexandros]

Anyone from Gilgamesh who does hunting should be able to tell you about a certain large FC that is going around and using the app to zerg through marks. In my first encounter with them after they did this they had the audacity to claim it was "magic" and went so far to tell us they were the greatest FC ever. I've also heard from other people on the server they made fun of other people for not being able to get to marks as fast as they do. Keep in mind---it is public knowledge, and now confirmed, that they have been using the app! I just don't understand how they can be so arrogant when they're using third party software.

My other issue with this app (and I'm certain one of the reason Square Enix doesn't allow it) is that console users have no access to it. At least with parsers you are not affecting any one else's gameplay. With the app they're able to find marks quicker by using something console players are unable to. It does diminish our chances at a fair game.

[LadyVal]

Keep in mind there was another thread about this, and an FC bragged to someone about how they are getting marks and sent them this screen shot:



So, no, there are some apps out there that don't only use your mini map. They give you the entire map worth.