Missed Opportunity: Elite Marks and What They Should Have Been

[Cutie_McSnuggles]

yes seriously, I know a person who has spent every day since atma came out farming the stuff to only have gotten 1 yesterday. It took me weeks to do my atma weapon, and a month to do my animus, and another month to do my novus. I still have 3 other jobs to bring up to novus and the myth grind is not appetizing.

I've actually gotten a sand already (just farming last night), I'm as diligent as I can be, but not all of my raid group can spend that kind of time even once a week. And the seal farming got crazy today after I stopped to do RL stuff. It was ridiculous.

Looks to me like the 'grind' is in no way slowing you down.

[Bucy]

Come to think about it... it is easier to get oil nowadays then a freaking ATMA.

Totally. I did my mark farming on my drg and hit fates last night to hopefully get an atma. I got enough seals and a book to get a sand, but no atma. Some people have 1000s of seals already because they can put in the time, but other people who only have time to raid and do an expert roulette only have a dozen or 2 dozen seals. Basically, some1 who doesn't work or have kids, and can't down Rafflesia can get ilvl110 gear faster than someone who does work, has kids, but is clearing Nael. This is out of balance.

[Bucy]

Looks to me like the 'grind' is in no way slowing you down.

You are correct, but my raiding group is a bigger concern to me than my personal gear. I feel terrible that I can get a sand because my kid stays with her grandparents some weekends, but my raid leader and others haven't logged in but for raids since the patch hit once the reality of what they would have to do to get extra sands and oils became clear to them. I'm worried they will quit.

[Felessan]

There is no good reason to do the daily mark hunt, because waiting for a fate(s) to get a total of 7 seals doesn't make sense, when you can get 20ish allied seals for killing 1 thing in 15 s.

7 seals for daily hunts is for casual players. 20 seals is for experienced one that works in parties and often in even more organized matter (ls/fc).
Prices are fixed in the way that if you are not aiming for hardcore/exclusive stuff (like oil/sand, minion and 70 gear for glamour), seals given from daily hunts are more than enough.

We could have had a daily duty that takes 20-60 min that gives enough seals so that in X days we can afford a sands. A quest that caters to the needs of players who have just enough time to log in, do a dungeon, & a raid.

Yes, and this X is currently 110 days if you don't want to do it more "hardcore" like people do it in hunt parties.

The daily things that give 1 seal each should give 10 instead. You would still need 75 of them just for one sands of time but it's a lot better than 750.

You do understand that sand is t8/t9 drop and what you are suggesting is just give it away for free? We are still not in 2.4 where coil2 content should be less relevant and more accessible by casual players to giveaway such freebies.

[BaxterTiamat]

First two nights i ran for marks i got a sand of time and oil f time.The third night the hunts had been taken over by 2 other FC's not sharing locations with anyone,now i and many others cant run them at all due to the same old people hogging evrything and controlling the system. Also the fact that in a single night you can obtain a sands of time and not have to touch coil 2 is ridiculous and repeat this infinitly,why not cap allied seals at 500 per week,that way the people being excluded can run for them after the people farming them 7 days a week have finished reaching cap and you cannot spam sands/oil of time.

[Celenia]

Agree with Baxter. Allied seal need to be capped. It will at least stop this "grind madness". 500 seals a week is a good number.

OR

SE can add allied seal to dungeon, pvp (frontline only), coil, primal, etc. This will reduce necessity to hunt the mob.

[Spetsnaz]

I think you wouldn't make that suggestion if you realized this so I'm going to enlighten you: You can hand in i55 crafted items for the expert delivery and farm seals in no time without even leaving a city.

I assume you care about game balance and don't just want handouts, but my faith in this community might be misplaced.

My thoughts exactly

600+ fates, 5 atma

[Dashuto]

Either a cap or a change of mob mechanics is definitely in order

[Bucy]

7 seals for daily hunts is for casual players. 20 seals is for experienced one that works in parties and often in even more organized matter (ls/fc).
Prices are fixed in the way that if you are not aiming for hardcore/exclusive stuff (like oil/sand, minion and 70 gear for glamour), seals given from daily hunts are more than enough.


Yes, and this X is currently 110 days if you don't want to do it more "hardcore" like people do it in hunt parties.

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Committing more time does not mean one is a better player. And someone who can't afford that sort of game time isn't necessarily casual. Why are you defending this time consuming method of getting sands? Read LS, use radar, mount chocobo, gather, hit a thing 3 times, get seals; there is no skill to that. We can do the hunt all day long, so we do, and we should, because it gets us sands. But this is way out of balance. Some1 who can only afford 2 to 6 hours every other day of game time shouldn't be relegated to 110 days to get sands. Whereas some1 who can play all day everyday is being allowed to get 5+ sand a week.

But part of my point is the daily isn't even worth doing; 7 sands for waiting hours on fates is a poor payout compared to elite marks.

[Ulathskullsplitter]

People didn't realize that these arent called elite marks because the mark itself is elite, but because they are only for the Elite on your server to do. If your not in a massive ls or FC that's sharing info and using third party apps then your not getting many seals.