SMN's Egi Appearances ~ one final, humble request

[Dwill]

But it's okay to say that a vast/most amount of players are satisfied with X thing?

Bottom line: You can't make assumptions for the majority or minority anymore than I can.

Citation needed. I never exactly specified a vast/most amount of players were satisfied with it. I only said that since the dissatisfaction of the appearance of the egis is only brought up by a tiny fraction of the player publicly and quite often by the same few people, it would be a safe assumption to say that the majority is fine with it. If the appearance of the egis would be such a problem for a lot of people, you'd see much more criticism than the same few people.

If you disagree and you think it's not a safe assumption to do, do explain your reasoning with something else than "You can't."

The text can be changed or rephrased.
You want lore? They can add a new quest called "Glamour your egi" or "Egis reborn" where in the story the Archanist Guild Master finds a way to make them change appearance to match the primal better.

Talk about lore! and how easy it is do the right thing.

Why should we resort to retconning so you can feel better ?

[Ghastly]

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Because just like Warrior got changed to make us feel better. Egis can be changed to make us feel better, us their customers and subscribers.
And don't start the majority/minority stuff. You have no clue what the majority/minority is, and the numbers don't matter

What I do see is request that comes up every few weeks and it's clearly a problem. Let SE them voice their opinion.

[Spellbinder]

If the appearance of the egis would be such a problem for a lot of people, you'd see much more criticism than the same few people.

I will not deny there are one or two forum users who post regarding summoner with greater frequency than others, but it is not always "the same few people."

And as I have said before, this message board makes up a very small minority of the playerbase. In other words, the posters on this message board do not constitute a sample size large enough to make plausible assumptions on what the majority does or doesn't want. Therefore, regardless of how many threads you see for or against X thing, it's not wise to make assumptions of any kind based on what you see on the forum. Or can you somehow prove that a majority of the game's population makes use of this forum, making it a viable sample size to draw conclusions?

I'll also repeat a question you failed to answer earlier.

I understand you think this is a waste of time, and you're against any changes to the Egi, but are you planning to continue posting in this thread solely for the sake of discouraging those who disagree with your viewpoint?

[Dwill]

Because just like Warrior got changed to make us feel better. Egis can be changed to make us feel better, us their customers and subscribers.
And don't start the majority/minority stuff. You have no clue what the majority/minority is, and the numbers don't matter

What I do see is request that comes up every few weeks and it's clearly a problem. Let SE them voice their opinion.

Square Enix's shouldn't have to retcon because you got your feelings hurt at something. Also you purposely ignoring the explanation I type about warrior everytime I explain it to you ?

And yeah numbers don't matter in a matter about minority/majority,clearly 2+2 = 4 no matter how much you want to believe it = 5.

Square Enix have already voiced their opinion and it was quite clear, here's what it was: No.

I will not deny there are one or two forum users who post regarding summoner with greater frequency than others, but it is not always "the same few people."

And as I have said before, this message board makes up a very small minority of the playerbase. Therefore, regardless of how many threads you see for or against X thing, it's not wise to make assumptions of any kind based on what you see on the forum. Or can you somehow prove that a majority of the game's population makes use of this forum, making it a viable sample size to draw conclusions?

Real problems and real negative stuff tends to increase forum activity. The best example: yesterday's patch as I am sure you're aware at the amount of posts and threads about The Hunt, The dyable AF, Chocobo Raising and the problems that this brought up.

Don't you think that if the egi's appearance would be such an issue, more and more people would speak up ?

I'll also repeat a question you failed to answer earlier.

I understand you think this is a waste of time, and you're against any changes to the Egi, but are you planning to continue posting in this thread solely for the sake of discouraging those who disagree with your viewpoint?

If you look earlier, I didn't start posting in this thread until people started making blanket statements and spreading misinformation. As long as people keep doing it, I'll keep posting.

[Spellbinder]

Don't you think that if the egi's appearance would be such an issue, more and more people would speak up ?

Problems generally tend to stir up the most forum activity when they're first brought to light. Summoner's was brought to light during beta when it was first revealed as one of the new jobs. Were you there to see all the threads that flooded the forum? The large number of postings eventually elicited a response from the developers, which is the reason we know they have no current plans to change their appearance. Would you have said at that point a majority of players were unsatisfied, in light of all the threads asking to make changes? Or would you still have said no because you don't think there needs to be a change? Some grin and bear their answers, others don't.

There's also a hefty 28 page thread still on the first page of the JP forum discussing how to improve summoner, and a 58 page thread on the English forums that I started myself. "The same few posters," as you put it, may eventually grow weary, change classes, or stop playing all together. But there's a reason every so often you see someone new to the forums wondering why the developers don't consider making changes.

[Dwill]

Problems generally tend to stir up the most forum activity when they're first brought to light. Summoner's was brought to light during beta when it was first revealed as one of the new jobs. Were you there to see all the threads that flooded the forum? The large number of postings eventually elicited a response from the developers, which is the reason we know they have no current plans to change their appearance. Would you have said at that point a majority of players were unsatisfied, in light of all the threads asking to make changes? Or would you still have said no because you don't think there needs to be a change? Some grin and bear their answers, others don't.

There's also a hefty 28 page thread still on the first page of the JP forum discussing how to improve summoner, and a 58 page thread on the English forums that I started myself. "The same few posters," as you put it, may eventually grow weary, change classes, or stop playing all together. But there's a reason every so often you see someone new to the forums wondering why the developers don't consider making changes.

I'll give you this point, problems draw more attraction when they are first revealed. But if it was such an issue for so many people, you'd see a lot of different people still post about it. But as it stands, it still nearly (keyword) always the same, see:http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/s...rchid=22406940

And honestly, if Square Enix said no back when there were many more posts about it, what would make you think they'd change their stances with a lot less posts about this supposed issue ?

[MageBlack]

I would say it might be a factor of cost vs reward. does the cost of reworking or even just resizing the EGI's make sense to do for the reward that players will receive? They may have already weighed all that against all the other things they are working on and it might have come to the conclusion that to do the egi changes justice would require more than just a resize. also, what people are asking for isnt exactly cohesive. some just want a resize, some want a reskin, some want new textures, some want basically a complete rework (titan and Ifrit to be grounded). I know in the past the dev team does not like to comment on things until they have a solid gameplan in mind. that is probably the case here.

Some great ideas coming out of here but regardless of what is decided or done, there will be a group of people who will be dissatisfied with it. Personally i think a greater fight to take up would be to get the elemental wheel of weakness/strengths put back in the game.

Regardless of where you stand on the issue, I think there are better ways to argue for your cause than by popularity or aesthetics. Make it make sense to do it from a Dev point of view. What woud the point of grounding an egi be? what would make sense technically speaking? Well, if the egi is on the ground then it wont be floating and blocking other players and would get in the way less often, They could use terrain moves, etc. why make them bigger? well, if they were bigger we could see more of the detail and hard work that was put into the character models, they could be used to mark locations in a combat situation.

It would be nice if the OP could take a bit of time to search up the other threads like this and have links to all of them at the top of the OP for a more comprehensive look at what is being asked for, there were some really good things said in the other threads.

[Ghastly]

I see different people

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...?highlight=egi

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...?highlight=egi

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...?highlight=egi

[Akiza]

If you added everything together that players want the Egis to be in the threads players want Egi's to resemble the primal they represent, have more details and textures and use Hard Mode boss mechanics.

[Parz3val]

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Dwill stop spamming my thread.

You've drawn other people into responding to you now regarding your spam because you wouldn't quit when I asked you to over & over again.

Just leave the thread.

We've read your points, numerous times now.

I'm sick of it.

Stop with your disrespect.

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