Any chance that the fanfest ingame items will be sold on mogstation?

[Nikita]

I like how we say "ffxi did it" and you people say "well bla bla bla this isn't ffxi" but then turn around and say "well blizzard does it this way" I'll say the same. This isn't blizzard. And if you wanna bring the "well they took a lot from wow/whatever argument. They take a lot from ffxi also. So please for the love of God stop using that argument.

FFXI was restrictive, WoW is inclusive. Is there something wrong with wanting equal opportunity for everyone?

And lol @ "I'm going crazy trying not to snap and attack you" when just a few posts ago you were accusing us of crying and getting all emotional.

How about this!

If you're going to the event and you don't care about the item, don't voice concern against our request. If you're not going to the event, don't voice concern against our request. I would like to hear from someone who is actually going to this event as to why they feel this item should be exclusive.

Honestly this is all very similar to the whole gay marriage issue. It's like, it doesn't affect you in any way, so why does it matter if they get married? Does the item being available for everyone affect you in any way? No? So why do you care? Why are you here arguing that it should be for attendees only?

Saying players have equal access to all the content is chocobo manure. I'm a casual player and as such almost all endgame gear/content is inaccessible to me.

That would be a solid argument if content wasn't constantly nerfed and made more accessable to a wider variety of players with every patch.

[cryptic_angel]

FFXI was restrictive, WoW is inclusive. Is there something wrong with wanting equal opportunity for everyone?

And lol @ "I'm going crazy trying not to snap and attack you" when just a few posts ago you were accusing us of crying and getting all emotional.

How about this!

If you're going to the event and you don't care about the item, don't voice concern against our request. If you're not going to the event, don't voice concern against our request. I would like to hear from someone who is actually going to this event as to why they feel this item should be exclusive.

Everyone has equal opportunity to go to fan fest. Everyone playing this game right now has the opportunity to purchase a ticket tomorrow. Not everyone can take advantage of the opportunity though. Just the same way every player has the opportunity to do raids (such as BCoB or SCoB). Yet, some players are unable to take advantage of the raids do to time and/or skill.

I am attending fan fest for all the awesome ff swag and a chance to meet up with some of my FC mates in real life. Yes, I would like the event in-game item to be tied to the event and nothing else.

It is human nature to want things to be rare. That's why limited editions, collectors editions, first editions, exclusive swag and other limited items sell for inflated prices after being discontinued. The same is true in MMOs. People enjoy seeing and obtaining exclusive items. I enjoy seeing people with stuff I will never get and I enjoy having stuff that might make me stand out. It motivates and inspires.

[Nikita]

Everyone has equal opportunity to go to fan fest.

op·por·tu·ni·ty

/ˌäpərˈt(y)o͞onitē/

noun

a set of circumstances that makes it possible to do something.


Equal opportunity? No. When there are some people that live in LA that only have to pay for the ticket and some people that live all the way across the country that have to pay travel and lodging fees on top of the ticket fee, that opportunity is not equal. I feel so sorry for the people living in countries where the event is not hosted, or countries where they make so little money compared to us that a trip to LA for the Fanfest is not even worth considering.

No, I have said it once and I will say it again and again and again and again until my post count runs out for the day. Not everyone has an equal opportunity to attend this event and not everyone has an equal opportunity to receive these items which should have been open to everyone.

[cryptic_angel]

op·por·tu·ni·ty

/ˌäpərˈt(y)o͞onitē/

noun

a set of circumstances that makes it possible to do something.

Equal opportunity? No. When there are some people that live in LA that only have to pay for the ticket and some people that live all the way across the country that have to pay travel and lodging fees on top of the ticket fee, that opportunity is not equal. I feel so sorry for the people living in countries where the event is not hosted, or countries where they make so little money compared to us that a trip to LA for the Fanfest is not even worth considering.

No, I have said it once and I will say it again and again and again and again until my post count runs out for the day. Not everyone has an equal opportunity to attend this event and not everyone has an equal opportunity to receive these items which should have been open to everyone.

Yes, everyone can buy a ticket. Yes, anyone can save money for vacations. People in LA still have to pay for a hotel. The only difference is travel expense which has always been a factor in every "Con" ever put on by any organization.

The opportunity is the same, the cost of travel is what is different. It's akin to a player raiding who happens to also be unemployed Vs. a player who works 60 hours a week and has trouble raiding. Both players have the same opportunity, yet one player is going to be able to raid more.

The price difference between LA (an example you seem very fond of using) and NY is $247.00. That figure is assumed from flying out of LAX to LAS and Flying out of JFK to LAS (go check any travel site if you wish to confirm, I used priceline). Both travelers would need hotel lodging and both travelers would pay the price for a ticket to attend the Con.

If you are really spending this much energy over $250.00 bucks, then you need to take a step away from this game. That amount of money is significant to many people who are struggling financially, but I am going to guess people who cannot afford to spend an extra 250 bucks are also not heavily interested in the exclusive in-game item given out at fan fest.

You are on the losing side of this argument. Many Conventions offer exclusive swag and you just need to get over your self. If people can afford smart phones and a five dollar cup of coffee from star bucks, I am sure they could also scrape together an extra $250.00 by October. If a person cannot afford it, then they probably have bigger concerns than a pet or mount in a virtual world.

There is a huge difference between a few grand total for some and having skill.
So, NO, this is not an equal opportunity situation. Skill can be taught, not everyone has that much money to burn.
Airfare, hotel, ticket, food, PASSPORT, it all adds up. Where as a simple digital ticket lets all those who WANT to go, but can't due to whatever, attend in spirit.

Everyone outside of Las Vegas, NV has a high chance of flying there, I know I am and I only live five hours away. So, flight cost is shared by everyone and the price difference is going to be marginal. See my point above about flying out of JFL vs LAX. Otherwise, most all people attending (unless you live in Vegas or very close to it) share almost all the expense you listed. Again, there are things in the game you can't have at all unless you were there or bought something very expensive like the legacy chocobo or the moogle earrings. Exclusive and retired items happen in an MMO and people should just get over it.

And in your example everyone has access to it. You want to go to t6? Beat t5 and you're there. The others before you did the same. They didn't pay on mog station. You are given the same opportunities as everyone else.

Everyone has access to purchase a fan fest ticket and everyone has the opportunity to attend fan fest, the price tag may vary though.

[Edli]

Everyone has access to fan fest, the price tag may vary though.

No, just stop. I saw your long post and you're from US I assume? Even the example you brought is the expense from the furthest US city to LA. In your mind other parts of the world do not exist. Everyone can come to the fanfest apparently and the biggest sum one may pay is $250. Never mind that in most parts of the world you have to go to hell and back to even get a visa for US.

Oh the real life equal opportunities, gotta love them.

Even if we lived in the perfect world, wth does a fanfest has to do with the freaking game itself. How do people compare the challenge of going to a fanfest with the challenge of a dungeon in game? Shouldn't the price for going to the fanfest be the fanfest itself?

[cryptic_angel]

No, just stop. I saw your long post and you're from US I assume? Even the example you brought is the expense from the furthest US city to LA. In your mind other parts of the world do not exist. Everyone can come to the fanfest apparently and the biggest sum one may pay is $250. Never mind that in most parts of the world you have to go to hell and back to even get a visa for US.

Oh the real life equal opportunities, gotta love them.

Hahaha, how about you guys stop. You are all whining over pixels while people suffer world wide from abuse, starvation, disease, and unfathomable loss. YOU are bitching about something that is so trivial and insignificant to your life. How about you pour some of this effort into an actual worth while cause.

Life is unfair! IRL bleeds into every MMORPG. In can be expected that some of the real life unfairness will bleed into MMOs. Can't afford fifty bucks? Too bad! No dalamund minion for you! Can't afford $700.00? Too bad! No moogle earrings for you! Can't afford international travel from Australia to Japan (just some random extreme example of travel disparity)? Too bad, you don't get to go to fan fest!!!

Ten years from now you are most likely to forget this thread, what ever in-game item they gave out at fan fest, and this game. This item you are debating about is soooooooooooo meaningless to everything that will every happen on this tiny blue marble and yet you care so much about it.

Oh, the First world problems, gotta love them.

[Edli]

You are all whining over pixels while people suffer world wide from abuse, starvation, disease, and unfathomable loss.

A strange thing to say from someone that just a few min ago was preaching about equal opportunities and how every one can come in LA.

You're right it is trivial. I don't even know what this item they're giving is. I bet is some stupid fluffy minion. I got dragged on this topic because of some really strange comments like "everyone can come" and "the challenge of going to fanfest is the same as the challenge of beating t5". The second is a bit more true but still, what does one have to do with the other?

I couldn't help but replying. Don't worry though, I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

[Etone]

Everyone has equal opportunity to go to fan fest. Everyone playing this game right now has the opportunity to purchase a ticket tomorrow. (snip)

There is a huge difference between a few grand total for some and having skill.
So, NO, this is not an equal opportunity situation. Skill can be taught, not everyone has that much money to burn.
Airfare, hotel, ticket, food, PASSPORT, it all adds up. Where as a simple digital ticket lets all those who WANT to go, but can't due to whatever, attend in spirit.