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    So, I'm a little embarassed that I'm just learning about the 251 PIE now. Although I see pretty big damage numbers now I'm always interested in improving. As a Hyur Highlander I'm sitting at 239 PIE. Would it be worth it to take 5 points from my crit/det novus to get to 244 - thus 251 with a SCH?

    Obviously, I know that it's my choice in the end - but I'm interested in hearing other viewpoints.
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    I wouldn't put Piety onto your staff. I'd simply use your level-up points to hit 251.
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    Last edited by Ramath; 07-05-2014 at 01:58 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramath View Post
    First off, I thought it was 241 piety....

    Second, I woudn't put Piety onto your staff. I'd simply use your level-up points to hit 241.
    Everything that I've seen says 251 PIE. Fairly certain on that point. As for using my level up points - wouldn't that be an awful idea, as I'd be taking points away from the much more useful INT? The benefit of using the Novus weapon is that whatever secondary stats you pick, you get the same INT regardless.

    Also, for what it's worth, I think I'm going to use the Fantasia that's been gathering dust forever to change to a Midlander. I realize that Dunesfolk is the superior choice, but I'm not comfortable going Lala. I can, however, alter my appearance slightly for 3 more INT and 4 more PIE.
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    Last edited by gamersince1976; 07-05-2014 at 02:04 PM.

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    Yup, I miss remembered it. I checked my stats and corrected my post. But still, I wouldn't put it on your staff.
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    OK, well... I did ask for opinions. So, while I disagree with what you're saying I appreciate the input.

    Would anyone else care to weigh in? Specifically, I guess I'm wondering how important the 251 piety is. Assuming I change from Highlander to Midlander I'll be up to a native 243 PIE. Which means 1 point in the staff should be enough if there's a scholar, correct? Or are you supposed to try for 251 solo?
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    You could always just drink mulled tea for the piety.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramath View Post
    I wouldn't put Piety onto your staff. I'd simply use your level-up points to hit 251.
    That's the worst suggestion yet. If you put say 8 level up points into PIE that is 8 less INT you have. INT is your best stat after raw weapon damage so you want as much of that as possible.

    On the other hand if you put the PIE on your weapon you are trading DET/CRIT/SS for PIE rather than INT. The difference is huge.

    As a Hyur I have enough PIE to not worry, and I find the best usage is during AoE rotations where I can go Flare > Convert > Fire II > Flare. That extra Fire II sometimes means the difference between a pack of mobs dying and a pack of mobs sitting with a tiny amount of HP. When I've done Brayflox with WHMs I have been in exactly that situation after a double Flare and wished I could have had that extra Fire II. I wonder how much PIE you'd need to get enough without a SCH in the party, I imagine it's more than it's worth.
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    I believe you need 248 piety without a Scholar to use that AoE rotation.
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    Yeah, that's what I thought. I'd never sacrifice INT for any secondary stat - the stat weights simply don't support it. Especially since the Novus is a unique opportunity to add piety without having to sacrifice INT.

    On a side note, I did change to a Midlander when I got on a couple hours ago. I drank some Mulled Tea and gave the 251 spec a shot - it really is a lot more fluid. I would imagine that my numbers went up, and I wasn't experiencing the downtime waiting for enough MP for Thunder 2. I'm still undecided about whether it's worth 8 points to get me there natively - that does seem like a lot to me. But one little point? That's an absolute yes, in my book.

    Or scroll, I suppose
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    Last edited by gamersince1976; 07-07-2014 at 06:38 PM. Reason: spelling :/

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    Regarding the usage of leveling points to hit 251. I asked that question on another site and compared to having 243 Piety, the 251 lead to about a 5dps increase (according to the guy who had a parser and did the test). Never found out though how much the loss of 8 Intelligence affected the dps output though.

    I recently went and respec'd my stats to give me 251 native and the rotation is a lot smoother, so I don't know...
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