Redesigned Test/Practice Mode for harder fights

[DeathFiend]

This idea defeats the purpose of doing any dungeons or raids. No MMO has this. You go into a dungeon (Primals included) and you explore. No matter how many times you wipe, you have 60-90 mins to learn the fight. Even if your stuck on primals, if some people cant get through the first phase while you are eager to get to the second phase, simply find other people that can get to the second phase with you.

Anything that your suggesting is basically cheating in my view.

[Colvin]

Anything that your suggesting is basically cheating in my view.

I fail to see how it is cheating as long as you don't get any gear. Practicing something to get better at it by putting in your own time and effort isn't cheating at all.

[DeathFiend]

I fail to see how it is cheating as long as you don't get any gear. Practicing something to get better at it by putting in your own time and effort isn't cheating at all.

Asking for a save spot in the middle of a boss is a ridiculous idea. Thats like asking for a save spot in FF7 against Sephiroth because you want to practice it.

Practice or not, I feel that a player should adhere to the difficulty of the content. If you want something to be made easy for you with the addition echo buff and increased ilvl cap, then I suggest re-evaluating your skills. Not Hardcore gaming skills but basic hand-eye coordination, memorization and timing. Titan Ex is the biggest memory fight where 8 people need to be focus for ~10 mins. If you cant find 7 other people that can, then maybe find new people to play with or switch servers.

[Colvin]

Asking for a save spot in the middle of a boss is a ridiculous idea.

Regardless of the fact that the completion of it wouldnt really "count" it is far from rediculous. There are lots of games that have something similar. SE's own FF series has various games where dying after a certain phase starts you at that phase; and I'm not even referring to a "for keeps" situation.

[AttacKat]

where dying after a certain phase starts you at that phase

IMHO this will not work, why, you might have failed because you didn't keep your tank's heal at a high enough level, or you didn't keep 1 of your DPS alive into the next phase. A lot of the results are in direction relation of previous actions. If you cannot perform the previous phases correctly, what is saving a bad result going to do to improve the phases afterwards?

I understand it waste time, but the way these boss battles are done, SE made it that all the previous phases helps determine the outcome of the final phase; therefore, to produce better outcome, you must first be able to finish the previous phases with better outcome.

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[Colvin]

IMHO this will not work, why, you might have failed because you didn't keep your tank's heal at a high enough level, or you didn't keep 1 of your DPS alive into the next phase. A lot of the results are in direction relation of previous actions. If you cannot perform the previous phases correctly, what is saving a bad result going to do to improve the phases afterwards?

The point is if you can get to that phase already, then you can probably do the mechanics. It isn't a matter of it "working" or not because people would still have to clear the content as normal to get storyline progression or drops. It is not as if this would give people a way around progression.

[Dano]

err why not practice on the real content? you actually progress that way. As you clear each phase your chances of clearing the content becomes higher, until finally you clear it. It's a group progression thing. And wouldn't this be potential spoiler-ish for world-firsts groups if you already know the phases before hand? wheres the fun in that?

[Malamasala]

Asking for a save spot in the middle of a boss is a ridiculous idea. Thats like asking for a save spot in FF7 against Sephiroth because you want to practice it.

But nobody seem to pay attention to the even more ridiculous idea that someone can just say "I'm fed up with this group, I'm leaving". That is like if you die against Sephiroth and reload, you lose one character in your party that may not appear again for another 1 hour of real time waiting.

If you actually had checkpoints in boss battles where you got to resume from with full health and mana after a wipe, then much fewer people would have a reason to leave because they know that at least what they've already cleared stay cleared.

Another comparison for primals is to say that if you die, you start at the beginning of a dungeon with all monsters respawned. Because that is how primal fights work, you have to redo everything. It makes quite a lot of sense to not force people to redo the entire primal fight every wipe.

[raelgun]

This idea defeats the purpose of doing any dungeons or raids. No MMO has this. You go into a dungeon (Primals included) and you explore. No matter how many times you wipe, you have 60-90 mins to learn the fight. Even if your stuck on primals, if some people cant get through the first phase while you are eager to get to the second phase, simply find other people that can get to the second phase with you.

Anything that your suggesting is basically cheating in my view.

WOW has started to implement this actually, or something similar, the instance themselves dont change but they have something called proving grounds, its recently added and being expanded upon, its where you go and able to practice your role and fine tune it more, so you can become better when you want.

The issue isnt that people are struggling with said dungeon, they are struggling playing with said role, mostly with DPSers, the numbers are quite low across the board and theres nothing in the game that lets the fine tune their gameplay on their own, wow is addressing this in theory with proving grounds.

Its also awesome for theorycrafters like my self cos if we think of something to do and improve upon, its a lot of time to go into a dungeon and test it, i do a lot of testing and having a instance thats designed just for my role so that I can fine tune my ability even more is awesome, this game needs something like this and I think its actually in the works according to the devs somewhere.