Zodiac weapon 2.3?

[Nutz]

I think we'll get a filler upgrade to match it with the ilvl 115 weapons(probably on 2.45) then the 3rd coil would come out then have relic up to ilvl120 and the 3rd coil weapons would be i125(ALL PURE GUESSES)

Barring some sort of severe delay Coil 3 will be out in 2.4 with weapons at ilvl 135. I have no idea why the developers always play coy with the numbers. They're terribly predictable and becoming even more so. As such, 2.45 should at the very least pull Zodiac weapons up to 120, in line with (potentially NQ if they go that route) Shiva weapons. Obviously this is speculative, but the devs have been following a fairly simple pattern with the 2.x updates.

[Ooshima]

Yes but that was quite a different situation. They were on par right from the start, this has not been the case with 2.2. Consider it this way, by offering an upgrade before 2.4 it will encourage Coil raiders to finally go out and do their Novus weapons. By that stage a lot of people will be saturated with coil gear and will be looking for things to do. A new BiS weapon is exactly the right kind of motivation to keep that set of players busy until 2.4.

I don't really mind personally. I mean I do both, I'm a collector guy. But to say Relic will become stronger than the weapon dropped by the toughest boss in the same patch will be difficult to swallow, and difficult for SE to explain and justify for. Because coil weapon is really a reward thingy (that's the sole reason why they make it 5 ilvl higher).

A more plausible balancing would be making Relic SAME ilvl as the coil weapon, but it would be quite a grindy process to get, but with enough benefits to do so. SE broke the stat cost rule with the Novus, making the Novus capable of being better than Gerolt's weapon by a small margin via secondary stats. However, the benefits aren't too broken to make it overly powerful. I think it is a nice first-step, and thus it may happen that the eventual relic be the same ilvl as the coil weapon with ability to customize stats.

I think this would be eventually fair. If SE is going to make them change the appearance totally, with the lore saying it is the weapons that the Zodiac Twelves used and probably carry the names of legendary weapons such as Gungnir, Excalibur etc, then it must be worth that name and lore. Allowing it to become i135 in its final state, the same ilvl as the 3rd coil weapon would be, would be fair enough. The advanced raiders would still clear the final turn and get their weapons before the majority could complete their final form of Relic anyways, and this would put everyone on an slightly more even field with the expansion pack (if we assume after 3rd coil is expansion).

But having the Relic to become i120 before 2.4, I'd say highly unlikely. It would already come as a surprise if it'd become i115 before 2.4, say 2.35/2.38, IMO.

Who knows though, maybe Ramuh EX will have BiS weapons for 2.3... lol.

Ramuh EX is confirmed to be i100 accessories and rare chance of i100 weapon

[blowfin]

But to say Relic will become stronger than the weapon dropped by the toughest boss in the same patch will be difficult to swallow, and difficult for SE to explain and justify for. Because coil weapon is really a reward thingy (that's the sole reason why they make it 5 ilvl higher).

I don't see any problem with Novus having a month or two at the top before 2.4 and Coil3 hits. As I said people will be saturated with weapons, and coil2 will get nerfed shortly afterwards, making it much much easier to get i115, they will become mid tier weapons like Allagan became in 2.2. At that point (2.4) Novus really does need to trump HA, otherwise it will be a joke. Sure there will be some delicious tears shed by people who never bothered to upgrade their relic, but I won't be one of them.

If they're to maintain the previous pattern (everybody seems convinced they will) then Novus should be 5 levels above HA in 2.4.

Ramuh EX is confirmed to be i100 accessories and rare chance of i100 weapon

Ah, my bad, I should have known that.

[Ooshima]

I don't see any problem with Novus having a month or two at the top before 2.4 and Coil3 hits. As I said people will be saturated with weapons, and coil2 will get nerfed shortly afterwards, making it much much easier to get i115, they will become mid tier weapons like Allagan became in 2.2. At that point (2.4) Novus really does need to trump HA, otherwise it will be a joke. Sure there will be some delicious tears shed by people who never bothered to upgrade their relic, but I won't be one of them.

If they're to maintain the previous pattern (everybody seems convinced they will) then Novus should be 5 levels above HA in 2.4.

Well, you and I wouldn't mind of course. It's an upgrade, I'd take it anytime, just a matter to see if the upgrade is worth to rush for (I rushed for Animus, but didn't do so for Novus).

Reason why everybody are convinced that SE will maintain is because they hardly break traditions, and if they do, it won't be drastic stuff. They are pretty much slow progressive in nature, with alot of repeated contents and stuff while trying to try little things at a step. Which is the reason why I believe that the next update will be a skeletal update to i120 in preparation to be in its final form, whether it is i130 or i135, we won't know.

Well, which is something you've noticed as well.

[Monoclonal]

yeah, coil weapons are faster and easier..

Kind of disagree, well Faster yes , easier BIG NO. Even if you have the skill to beat T7,8 while asleep and T9 by halfsleep or no matter how those fights are so easy to you , since there is nothing that consider hard or difficult in atma --> animus --> novus quest line. It's pure luck and grind.

[Firepower]

Kind of disagree, well Faster yes , easier BIG NO. Even if you have the skill to beat T7,8 while asleep and T9 by halfsleep or no matter how those fights are so easy to you , since there is nothing that consider hard or difficult in atma --> animus --> novus quest line. It's pure luck and grind.

I agree with this point. The idea that a relic in its current state could be equal or greater than High Allagan would be a massive kick in the teeth to all coil raiders. Because essentially one person had to go through the difficult task of learning and beating t6-9 with 7 other equally skilled people for weeks and weeks until their weapon dropped. And the 2nd person just killed a million lost lambs (an exaggeration but FATES and Brayflox are definitely not hard) But their weapon is better just because it took them longer.

Relic and Allagan did start out at both 90 so most people didn't even bother attempting T5 because there was no major reward compared to the difficulty of Twintania back then. Every week people would just run through 1-4 and quit. They moved it up to 95 to make it the Best in slot and to give people a reason (a decent reward) to do T5. If this new relic went past the stats of High allagan you can bet a large amount of people wont bother doing the next tier of coil because everybody knows you can get better gear by just doing duty roulette a few months in the future.

A visual upgrade to 120 like the Atma might be possible but I would doubt it as it is mainly aimed at casual players of which the majority probably are only just finishing Animus or in early stages of Novus. With 2.3 around the corner and 2.4 3 months away they need to be careful about extending the grind to a point where a casual player feels they can never catch up to the highest point as every month square tacks on another new quest before they are even halfway through the previous.

[JonBigwood]

As peple get more geared and experienced in Coil2, HA weapons are actually becoming much easier to get.

As long as there is a weekly cap in Second Coil, the High Allagan weapons will remain difficult or very difficult to obtain. I think it unlikely that there will be an upgrade for the Zodiac weapons before another better end game drop is also there. It seems also a given that the relic will always be a bit worse than the best end game drop.

[AlyssaFhey]

I agree with this point. The idea that a relic in its current state could be equal or greater than High Allagan would be a massive kick in the teeth to all coil raiders. Because essentially one person had to go through the difficult task of learning and beating t6-9 with 7 other equally skilled people for weeks and weeks until their weapon dropped. And the 2nd person just killed a million lost lambs (an exaggeration but FATES and Brayflox are definitely not hard) But their weapon is better just because it took them longer.

Relic and Allagan did start out at both 90 so most people didn't even bother attempting T5 because there was no major reward compared to the difficulty of Twintania back then. Every week people would just run through 1-4 and quit. They moved it up to 95 to make it the Best in slot and to give people a reason (a decent reward) to do T5. If this new relic went past the stats of High allagan you can bet a large amount of people wont bother doing the next tier of coil because everybody knows you can get better gear by just doing duty roulette a few months in the future.

A visual upgrade to 120 like the Atma might be possible but I would doubt it as it is mainly aimed at casual players of which the majority probably are only just finishing Animus or in early stages of Novus. With 2.3 around the corner and 2.4 3 months away they need to be careful about extending the grind to a point where a casual player feels they can never catch up to the highest point as every month square tacks on another new quest before they are even halfway through the previous.

I think people are downplaying the time investment relic weapons are. It is definitely easier to learn T6-T9, then to do the relic quest line. That said, the greatest difficulty with coil lies in getting 7 people other people have have a similar schedule to yourself.

[Monoclonal]

I think people are downplaying the time investment relic weapons are. It is definitely easier to learn T6-T9, then to do the relic quest line. That said, the greatest difficulty with coil lies in getting 7 people other people have have a similar schedule to yourself.

sorry, no offense here , but TIME is not skill and not difficulty. Time is well just time. Time investment not equal to skill investment.

The way you talk also down-playing people time/skill/dedication to beat coil. I can also say the same thing to you that the greatest difficulty to do relic is sit brainlessly in front of computer make ur self clicking mouse while watching netflix so u called this harder than beat coil ?

If just find 7 people then everyone magically can beat coil then we will see a lot more people run around with HA weapon. This one statement you said can really piss most raider off and make me firmly believe that you never raid.

[Ooshima]

Kind of disagree, well Faster yes , easier BIG NO. Even if you have the skill to beat T7,8 while asleep and T9 by halfsleep or no matter how those fights are so easy to you , since there is nothing that consider hard or difficult in atma --> animus --> novus quest line. It's pure luck and grind.

Not sure how to respond to this, but faster and easier is about the same to me in this context. I mean.. once it's on farm it is just about getting the UAT and ToS and tada you get a i100 weap and upgradable to i110 in one simple step which is Sands.. certainly "easier" than dealing with RNG and grind. So sick of Brayflox SR now

I think people are downplaying the time investment relic weapons are. It is definitely easier to learn T6-T9, then to do the relic quest line. That said, the greatest difficulty with coil lies in getting 7 people other people have have a similar schedule to yourself.

Really? So many statics out there. So getting 7 other people isn't tough. But even if you get 7 people, are you sure all 7 of you are good? How many of these statics have managed to clear T9 by now/before Patch 2.3?