Zodiac weapon 2.3?

**Eldonia** · 07-02-2014 12:55 PM

I haven't been able to find another thread about this, but it seems we have had no mention of a Zodiac weapon upgrade for 2.3?

It was mentioned, or at least eluded to at first that we would have a new leg to the Zodiac weapon questline in every major update and every half update. (2.2, 2.28, 2.3?)

Has there been any official information on whether or not we are getting one in 2.3? If so I haven't seen it, but maybe (and hopefully) I'm blind.

A lot of us kind of busted our butts to get Novus in time for 2.3, so I'm hoping to see some type of an upgrade to it!

**Firepower** · 07-02-2014 01:09 PM

Very unlikely since novus is 110 and up until a new endgame raid zone, 115 is the best weapon in the game which is the High Allagan. Since Yoshi declared that relic will never outshine the hardest dungeon drop its unlikely to be improved further until atleast 2.4 when I would assume they would follow their current recipe of each major update alternates between CT and Coil: 2.0 Coil, 2.1 = CT, 2.2 = Coil, 2.3 = CT, 2.4 = ??. I would assume when the next teir of gear is released the next teirs of zodiacs will follow suit.

2.3 does offer more options to make it easier to get Novus and to upgrade current soldiery gear to 110 through getting sands and oils through the new CT and allied marks. Not to mention the allied marks will now make getting alexandrite easier too.

**Nutz** · 07-02-2014 01:09 PM

I dunno, maybe? :/ They've mentioned quite a few times that you can get alexandrite (and other things) from the new hunt system, though that in itself is nothing. Obviously many people won't be done with the Novus portion by 2.3. Hell, I personally won't be quite done with the animus portion. It might be something that they're saving for patch notes (I'm sure there's a lot we haven't heard), but they've said nothing on it since the system was launched. At that time I believe you're right in that their intention was to introduce it with 2.2, update (to Novus) with 2.25 and update it again at 2.3 and onward. Since we didn't get the Novus update and 2.25 and 2.28 ended up being a whole month or so later it might be that the update originally meant for 2.3 comes in 2.32 or even later. In any case, I'm just speculating.

EDIT: That's true about the ilvl thing, but who knows if Yoshida's going to stick to that completely. 4 months with no upgrade is quite a long time and allows for teh Novus stage to be completed by even the most casual of players before another update. It's entirely possible that if there is an update it's merely a time sink and doesn't actually improve the weapon (like the atma stage).

**Ooshima** · 07-02-2014 01:11 PM

The Novus upgrade was supposed to happen in 2.25 but due to SE claiming that to little people having the Animus, it was pushed back to 2.28.

And since 2.28 was released 1 month before the 2.3 patch date, there wouldn't be any further progression on 2.3. If there's any, the LIVE letters would have stated it. No one really asked either since 2.28 is still fairly new.

If there's going to be anything, I think it would be 2.35. However, I do not think it will be any form of useful upgrade because High Allagan weapon will still remain the best until 2.4. It would probably be a chance to re-spec it which SE said it will happen in the future or just a skeletal upgrade to prepare for the next ilvl jump in 2.4

**blowfin** · 07-02-2014 04:08 PM

If there's going to be anything, I think it would be 2.35

This. We get a new source for Alex in 2.3, but I highly doubt that the quest itself will be extended.

However, I do not think it will be any form of useful upgrade because High Allagan weapon will still remain the best until 2.4.

Not so sure about that. I think there's every chance that 2.35 upgrade would push these to i115 or i120, there really should be a period before 2.4 where Zodiac beat HA. HA will have been top tier for nearly 6 months, and as we've seen that's highly unusual in this game. Not to mention that fact that delaying an ilvl upgrade further, or supplanting it with (another) cosmetic upgrade will annoy a vast amount of people. Zodiac will probably be trumped by Coil weapons in 2.4 anyway, and it's not like people are going to complete the upgrade on the first day of 2.35.

**Ooshima** · 07-02-2014 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by blowfin

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Not so sure about that. I think there's every chance that 2.35 upgrade would push these to i115 or i120, there really should be a period before 2.4 where Zodiac beat HA. HA will have been top tier for nearly 6 months, and as we've seen that's highly unusual in this game. Not to mention that fact that delaying an ilvl upgrade further, or supplanting it with (another) cosmetic upgrade will annoy a vast amount of people. Zodiac will probably be trumped by Coil weapons in 2.4 anyway, and it's not like people are going to complete the upgrade on the first day of 2.35.

Personally I really doubt so. Looking back, the Allagan Weapons were i90, the same as the Relic weapons which resulted in players feeling that there is no incentive to grind out for the Allagan Weapon (except for min maxing the sec stats) and thus they revised it to i95. The same strategy was adopted for the High Allagan weapon. I believe it is a fair approach since the HA weapon is the only tangible reward and "trophy" to show for beating the toughest boss in game (which other games probably have a leaderboard or other more tangible rewards).

If by conventional view that 2.4 will feature the last installment of the Binding Coil where we would probably face Louisox and Bahamut as the last 2 bosses before moving to the expansion 3.0, my take that there might not be any further progression until 2.4. I think SE have heard that Atma Weapon is lame and it is just a cosmetic change, and thank god the same shit didn't happen on the Novus. Albiet a longer grind in terms of myth and also the costs of the materia involved (in terms of gil or time or both), at least we get a straightforward, tangible upgrade.

Recent interviews with Japanese magazines, Yoshida said that eventual upgrades would totally change the appearance of your Relic weapons and finally become the exact weapons the Zodiac Braves used. So you might see Gae Blog turned into Holy Lance Gungnir and PLDs holding the Excalibur etc. My personal belief is that 2.4 will feature a first-step change which will turn it into ilvl 120 with the final weapon being ilvl 130 at somewhere 2.48 or 2.5.

And I'd place my money that the ilvl 120 weap will be a non glowing one and the ilvl 130 be a glowing one lol

P.S. But of course if SE decides to allow Novus to go for a minor upgrade to i115 in 2.38, I wouldn't really mind. But TBH I rather it go for a straight jump to ilvl120 in 2.4 so that we can have less grind. I'm already preparing for hell for the final upgrades just because I am quite an collector.. yeah, coil weapons are faster and easier..

**Nutz** · 07-02-2014 05:11 PM

Given the growing list of requirements to get a fully upgraded Zodiac weapon it might eventually overshadow raid weapons even though they've stated raid weapons will remain top as long as said raid is relevant. I don't think (could be wrong) anyone would argue that a Zodiac weapon being slightly more powerful than HA (or equivalent at the time) would be terrible so long as the HA (or equivalent) were on top for 3+ months. It's not as though you can cobble together a completed Novus overnight and furthering the questline only reinforces that. Once a group can regularly complete SCoB T4 everyone should be able to get their HA weapon (RNG willing) and some for off classes, while Zodiac weapons are reserved for a single class unless you happen to be mad.

**blowfin** · 07-02-2014 05:16 PM

Looking back, the Allagan Weapons were i90, the same as the Relic weapons which resulted in players feeling that there is no incentive to grind out for the Allagan Weapon (except for min maxing the sec stats) and thus they revised it to i95. The same strategy was adopted for the High Allagan weapon. I believe it is a fair approach since the HA weapon is the only tangible reward and "trophy" to show for beating the toughest boss in game (which other games probably have a leaderboard or other more tangible rewards).

Yes but that was quite a different situation. They were on par right from the start, this has not been the case with 2.2. Consider it this way, by offering an upgrade before 2.4 it will encourage Coil raiders to finally go out and do their Novus weapons. By that stage a lot of people will be saturated with coil gear and will be looking for things to do. A new BiS weapon is exactly the right kind of motivation to keep that set of players busy until 2.4.

yeah, coil weapons are faster and easier..

That's one of my rationales for this train of thought. As peple get more geared and experienced in Coil2, HA weapons are actually becoming much easier to get. Hence why I think 2.35 or whatever it ends up being should push Novus, the amount of work that has gone into them kind of demands it by that point.

Who knows though, maybe Ramuh EX will have BiS weapons for 2.3... lol.

**blowfin** · 07-02-2014 05:19 PM

I don't think (could be wrong) anyone would argue that a Zodiac weapon being slightly more powerful than HA (or equivalent at the time) would be terrible so long as the HA (or equivalent) were on top for 3+ months.

Exactly, if we are to see a Novus update in 2.35 (sic) it will mean HA weapons have been BiS for nearly 6 months.

The question is, at what point do SE think we've put in enough work to make Novus BiS?

**ClaireAbigail** · 07-02-2014 05:20 PM

I think we'll get a filler upgrade to match it with the ilvl 115 weapons(probably on 2.45) then the 3rd coil would come out then have relic up to ilvl120 and the 3rd coil weapons would be i125(ALL PURE GUESSES)

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