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    Does this macro work with 394 Craftsmanship and 374 Control? I went for economical melds for my non-WVR offhands, and wound up with those stats. which are only a couple points short of what you stated was required.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyalia View Post
    Does this macro work with 394 Craftsmanship and 374 Control? I went for economical melds for my non-WVR offhands, and wound up with those stats. which are only a couple points short of what you stated was required.
    There is a lot of leeway in finished quality, as this reaches much higher than necessary. It should be okay, give it a try. The important part is the +1 Craftsmanship so you have 392, or else the synth will blow up on the final step rather than finishing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bunsen View Post
    Ya it uses hasty touch, but it is still 100%.
    If your rotation uses Hasty Touch, it is not 100%. It might reach 100% fairly often but there's still times it won't. This rotation will, every single attempt. That's the difference. I myself despise relying on RNG as it's such a brutally cruel mistress. I sought to remove RNG from the equation and that's what I made here.

    As I clearly stated in the original post, this rotation is not for people without Artisan Tools. Yours is and I'm sure it's a good rotation. Share a link to it so people reading this who might not have their Artisans can use it.
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    Last edited by SeleneVenizelos; 07-03-2014 at 01:46 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeleneVenizelos View Post
    If your rotation uses Hasty Touch, it is not 100%. It might reach 100% fairly often but there's still times it won't. This rotation will, every single attempt. That's the difference. I myself despise relying on RNG as it's such a brutally cruel mistress. I sought to remove RNG from the equation and that's what I made here.

    As I clearly stated in the original post, this rotation is not for people without Artisan Tools. Yours is and I'm sure it's a good rotation. Share a link to it so people reading this who might not have their Artisans can use it.
    Ok... maybe mine doesn't have Hasty Touch lol..... Apologies ^^;.... But still, everyone who doesn't have Artisan Tool.. below is the BEST rotation if you are fully melded (no meld needed in off-hand).. If anyone has a quicker rotation, I would love to hear about it ^^/

    50 Alchemy
    50 Weaver
    50 Carpenter
    37 Culinary
    15 Blacksmith
    15 Leatherworker

    Craftsmanship: 359
    Control: 351

    80 Durability 2 Star MACRO ROTATION (341 CP Required):

    2 Star 80 Opener

    /ac "Comfort Zone" <me> <wait.2>
    /ac "Inner Quiet" <me> <wait.2.>
    /ac "Careful Synthesis II" <me> <wait.3>
    /ac "Waste Not" <me> <wait.2>
    /ac "Steady Hand II" <me> <wait.2>
    /ac "Basic Touch" <me> <wait.3>
    /ac "Basic Touch" <me> <wait.3>
    /ac "Basic Touch" <me> <wait.3>
    /ac "Basic Touch" <me> <wait.3>
    /ac "Basic Touch" <me> <wait.3>
    /ac "Great Strides" <me> <wait.2>
    /ac "Steady Hand" <me> <wait.2>
    /ac "Ingenuity" <me> <wait.2>
    /ac "Standard Touch" <me> <wait.3>
    /echo <<<<<–NEXT #2–>>>>> <se.7>

    2 Star 80 Finisher

    /ac "Great Strides" <me> <wait.2>
    /ac "Byregot's Blessing" <me> <wait.3>
    /action "Careful Synthesis II" <me> <wait.3>
    /action "Careful Synthesis II" <me> <wait.3>
    /echo <<<<<–END MACRO!!–>>>>> <se.10>
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    Last edited by Bunsen; 07-03-2014 at 02:00 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunsen View Post
    Ok... maybe mine doesn't have Hasty Touch lol..... Apologies ^^;.... But still, everyone who doesn't have Artisan Tool.. below is the BEST rotation if you are fully melded (no meld needed in off-hand).. If anyone has a quicker rotation, I would love to hear about it ^^/

    50 Alchemy
    50 Weaver
    50 Carpenter
    37 Culinary
    15 Blacksmith
    15 Leatherworker

    Craftsmanship: 359
    Control: 351

    80 Durability 2 Star MACRO ROTATION (341 CP Required):
    Do you have a rotation/macro for one or two star, 40 dur? I would like to know! Thanks!!
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    You know what's so overpowered in this game, that they just HAD to leave out?
    -Buffing during cutscenes.
    -Pets receiving the Protect buff.
    -A blacklist with more than a 200 player capacity.
    -Filtering the flying text for your own numbers.
    -A better way to organize and sort through your macros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvianEverdeen View Post
    Do you have a rotation/macro for one or two star, 40 dur? I would like to know! Thanks!!
    Yep, I do!

    **Disclaimer, this isn't one of those truly 100% because it relies on Hasty Touch, but it works often enough for me to think it is one of the best 40 durability rotations out there. Again, if there is something better let me know.

    I used this rotation to make the 2 star 40 durability items to get my book. So I can confirm I did NOT have my Artisan's, but I was fully melded.. so stats should be same as my 80 durability rotation.

    Craftsmanship: 359
    Control: 351

    With the below rotation you can do 1 Star 40 Durability Items with all NQ mats.

    Examples of 1 Star 40 Durability Items:

    Twinthread
    Darksteel Nugget
    Rosegold Nugget
    Hippogryph Leather
    Spruce Lumber
    Growth Formula Delta

    In addition with the below rotation you can do 2 Star Items using 2 HQs of the mats above.

    Examples of 2 Star 40 Durability Items:

    Vanya Silk
    Darksteel Ingot
    Rosegold Ingot
    Hard Hippogryph Leather
    Treated Spruce Lumber
    Growth Formula Delta Concentrate

    40 Durability 2 Star MACRO ROTATION (371 CP Required):

    2 Star 40 Opener

    /action "Comfort Zone" <me> <wait.2>
    /action "Inner Quiet" <me> <wait.2>
    /action "Steady Hand II" <me> <wait.2>
    /action "Waste Not II" <me> <wait.2>
    /action "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
    /action "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
    /action "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
    /action "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
    /action "Steady Hand II" <me> <wait.2>
    /action "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
    /action "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
    /action "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
    /action "Manipulation" <me> <wait.2>
    /action "Steady Hand II" <me> <wait.2>
    /echo <<<<<–NEXT #2–>>>>> <se.7>

    2 Star 40 Finisher

    /action "Great Strides" <me> <wait.2>
    /action "Ingenuity II" <me> <wait.2>
    /action "Innovation" <me> <wait.2>
    /action "Byregot's Blessing" <me> <wait.3>
    /action "Careful Synthesis II" <me> <wait.3>
    /action "Careful Synthesis II" <me> <wait.3>
    /echo <<<<<–END MACRO!!–>>>>> <se.10>


    EDIT: Added 2nd Careful Synthesis that is needed for those that don't have Artisan's.
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    Last edited by Bunsen; 07-04-2014 at 06:44 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunsen View Post
    Yep, I do!
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    Can you really guarantee without artisans that a 40 durability two star item will finish in a single Careful Synthesis II while under Ingenuity II with no Artisans and no melded offhand? I'm not saying you're wrong, I just remember only getting 108 progress from that, which left me short of the goal by a little bit, requiring a second CSII. But, my memory kinda sucks, so I could definitely be misremembering.

    Also, your Steady Hand II can be a Steady Hand instead, saving 3 CP since all you do with it is Byregot's, which has 90% success rate. If you want to reduce the CP cost further, you can ditch the Innovation, saving another 18 CP, as Innovation only helps a tiny bit (it only gives you (Base Control) x 0.5 extra Control, not (Inner-Quiet-buffed Control) x 0.5 like some expect). That brings the CP cost down to 350, so you only need to eat an NQ Frumenty, which are dirt cheap.

    The rotation I used for these was extremely similar to yours: 350CP req, min Craft req, Control varies due to reliance on Hasty Touch:

    Req Classes:
    - 50 LTW
    - 50 CRP
    - 50 WVR
    - 50 BSM (Actually, maybe Ingenuity I would work? I haven't tried it)
    - 37 CUL
    - 50 ALC (or increase CP cost by 14)
    - 15 GSM

    40 Durability 2 Star MACRO ROTATION (350 CP Required*):
    (* Possibly 342 if Ingenuity I is enough, I haven't tried it. Add 14 if ALC is below 50)

    2 Star 40 Opener

    /ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.2>
    /ac "Inner Quiet" <wait.2>
    /ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.3>
    /ac "Waste Not II" <wait.2>
    /ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
    /ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
    /echo Next <se.5>


    2 Star 40 Finisher

    /ac "Manipulation" <wait.2>
    /ac "Steady Hand" <wait.2>
    /ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Great Strides" <wait.5>
    /ac "Ingenuity II" <wait.2>
    /ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
    /ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
    /ac "Careful Synthesis II"

    The reason for the extra wait before Ingenuity II is twofold - if your condition is Excellent, you may want to cancel the macro and manually finish it. Also, if you fail to hit the Ingenuity due to lag, your synth will fail. I randomly lag, and I don't like synths failing.

    Thinking about it, since I do CSII twice, I wonder if I could have gotten away with Ingenuity I instead of Ingenuity II. That would lower the entry requirement from BSM 50 to BSM 15 and lower the CP required by 8. That would allow you to do the rotation without food with 342 CP, or 345 CP if you wanted to bump the Steady Hand to a Steady Hand II for the single Hasty Touch in there...
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    Last edited by Nyalia; 07-04-2014 at 01:21 AM.
    (The links below are sadly outdated. I hope to get around to updating things at some point.)
    Desynthesis Guide: http://tinyurl.com/ffxivdesynth

    Airship Guide: http://tinyurl.com/ffxivairshipguide (\v/) Airship Quick Reference: http://tinyurl.com/ffxivairshipqr
    Airship Logsheet: http://tinyurl.com/ffxivairshiplog (/|\) Airship Builder Tool: http://tinyurl.com/ffxivairshipbuilder

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyalia View Post
    Can you really guarantee without artisans that a 40 durability two star item will finish in a single Careful Synthesis II while under Ingenuity II with no Artisans and no melded offhand?
    He can't guarantee that because it doesn't. 392 Craftsmanship gives me 115/114 progress with Ingenuity 2 active. How much would 359, his recommended amount? I also know from experience that it won't work. Without Artisan you can not finish two star 40s in one step. Thankfully this 100% 40 durability rotation works. Make your Twinthread, Rose Gold Nugget, etc, with the rotation. It works without Artisan Tool. The use the same rotation but slightly modified for the items you're after. Specifically follow this part:

    Solution for non-Artisan 2 Star

    Simple solution. Use the rotation to make the two HQ base (Twinthread, etc) for your two star synth. Drop the first basic touch from the rotation and use Careful Synthesis II instead. This will reach 100% without any RNG (just!) but it will require the two HQ materials. That's not a problem with this rotation now though!
    So use the rotation to make the HQ ingredients for the two star. The rotation above HQs without Artisan if the two ingredients are two star and you follow the above modification.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EvianEverdeen View Post
    Do you have a rotation/macro for one or two star, 40 dur? I would like to know! Thanks!!
    Try these, just made them up for you ;D lol.

    The first needs 386 CP and second needs 38 CP1, so you'll need CP food for these.


    40 dura 2 star Macro 1:

    Part 1:

    /ac "Comfort Zone"<me><wait.2>
    /ac "Inner Quiet"<me><wait.2>
    /ac "Waste Not"<me><wait.2>
    /ac "Steady Hand II"<me><wait.2>
    /ac "Hasty Touch"<me><wait.3>
    /ac "Basic Touch"<me><wait.3>
    /ac "Basic Touch"<me><wait.3>
    /ac "Basic Touch"<me><wait.3>
    /ac "Basic Touch"<me><wait.3>
    /ac "Manipulation"<me><wait.3>
    /ac "Steady Hand II"<me><wait.2>
    /ac "Ingenuity"<me><wait.2>
    /ac "innovation" <me><wait.3>
    /ac "Basic Touch"<me><wait.3>

    (if excellent use part 3, else use part 2)

    Part 2:

    /ac "Great Strides"<me><wait.2>
    /ac "Byregot's Blessing"<me><wait.3>
    /ac "Careful Synthesis II"<me><wait.3>
    /ac "Careful Synthesis II"<me>

    Part 3:

    /ac "Byregot's Blessing"<me><wait.3>
    /ac "Careful Synthesis II"<me><wait.3>
    /ac "Careful Synthesis II"<me>


    40 dura 2 star Macro 2:

    Part 1:

    /ac "Comfort Zone"<me><wait.2>
    /ac "Inner Quiet"<me><wait.2>
    /ac "Steady Hand II"<me><wait.2>
    /ac "Waste Not II"<me><wait.2>
    /ac "Hasty Touch"<me><wait.3>
    /ac "Hasty Touch"<me><wait.3>
    /ac "Hasty Touch"<me><wait.3>
    /ac "Hasty Touch"<me><wait.3>
    /ac "Steady Hand II"<me><wait.2>
    /ac "Hasty Touch"<me><wait.3>
    /ac "Hasty Touch"<me><wait.3>
    /ac "Basic Touch"<me><wait.3>
    /ac "Manipulation"<me><wait.3>
    /ac "Steady Hand II"<me><wait.2>
    /ac "Careful Synthesis II"<me><wait.3>

    Part 2:

    /ac "Ingenuity"<me><wait.2>
    /ac "Basic Touch"<me><wait.3>

    (if excellent use part 4, else use part 3)

    Part 3:

    /ac "Great Strides"<me><wait.2>
    /ac "Byregot's Blessing"<me><wait.3>
    /ac "Careful Synthesis II"<me>

    Part 4:

    /ac "Byregot's Blessing"<me><wait.3>
    /ac "Careful Synthesis II"<me>
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    Quote Originally Posted by scarebearz View Post
    Try these, just made them up for you ;D lol.
    Weeee!

    Omgggggosh, thanks!

    P.S. What's the main difference between the two? Either of the two you recommend over the other?
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    You know what's so overpowered in this game, that they just HAD to leave out?
    -Buffing during cutscenes.
    -Pets receiving the Protect buff.
    -A blacklist with more than a 200 player capacity.
    -Filtering the flying text for your own numbers.
    -A better way to organize and sort through your macros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvianEverdeen View Post
    Weeee!

    Omgggggosh, thanks!

    P.S. What's the main difference between the two? Either of the two you recommend over the other?
    Tbh I've not tested either greatly, hoped others on here could! ;D

    I test them on 2 start 80 dura pots, as it's nice and cheap to test lol, just add a couple extra CS2 on the end to finish, there will be 40 left over dura to use as they are designed for 40 dura not 80 anyway xD

    I need to make some pots anyway, so I'll set my stats the same as yours on alch and test them out a bit!
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