Moose, is that true? If so, can you point me to an official source? I believe you, but still... curiosity, you know. For arguments that Ishgard is tempered that fit with this. Shiva is not a Silvertear Primal. Othard held out against Garlemald for a significant period of time because they were able to summon their own Primals. We have no evidence for this, but it's a highly unlikely possibility that Shiva has been with the Holy See since it's been a Holy See. For those of us who played FFXI, remember Gunther Schultz? He played the part of one of his descendants because he had become immortal. Our lady of silver cosmetics could be much the same. Highly unlikely. But it's been done before. Even if the consequences of Schultz's plotline were much more limited.