NINJA and ROGUE confirmed

[Radacci]

Make sure its Rogue CLASS and not Ninja JOB. Either way even if you some how got into a party for the lolz as a class it still doesn't make it a Thief Job. You seem rather unwilling to acknowledge those facts, and to that I feel sad for you that you can't comprehend that.

lol

I'm already in a T9 static, so obviously i will be going there as rogue class, to show that it will work; just like MRD works (ppl cleared T9 with mrd as DPS) and i could go as LNC also, cause over the course of the fight, the jumps don't really add that much dps (about 20dps, which i could cover with raging strike, and straight shot)
It's not a THF job, no, it probably won't be stealing anything, and i dont care about that. Cause if Stealing is all THF is doing, then it's boring anyway, and doesn't add anything to the party.
Rogue combat and Thief combat, is the same though, because Rogues were Thieves... So "You seem rather unwilling to acknowledge those facts, and to that I feel sad for you that you can't comprehend that."
But those that lack imagination, cannot imagine what is lacking; and you seem to lack the imagination to understand that Rogue and Thief is the same thing, stealing aside (which we don't really know anything about, ROG might be able to steal things also) Which makes it a Thief Class, rather than Thief job...which is a stupid thing to argue about. Because in that case, you can be both THF and NIN at the same time=win.

No one ever touches the very fact that in FF I Warrior becomes a Knight which is another term for the Paladin job. Because then their FFI argument false flat.

In case warrior becomes paladin, then thief can become ninja? which is what's happening in XIV
what arugment is supposed to fall flat here?
No one said anything about FF1 anyway, until you just assumed anyone had any argument for it?

[Exstal]

It's because he's wrong. They renamed Fighter to Warrior from the Japanese version but Knight didn't become Paladin.

[Mcshiggs]

Warrior in this game is fashioned after the Fighter job in FFI, look at its armor, look at how it fights. Come one now.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/W...nal_Fantasy%29

Very first sentence in this link says: "The Warrior (せんし, Senshi?), also known as the Fighter, is the most versatile member of the Warriors of Light in the original Final Fantasy."

I said in the original it was fighter, and I was right, they changed the name in later versions, you were the one that said it was originally warrior, and it wasn't, at least not here in the states.

[Adante]

Idk about all this nonsense arguing but what I do know is that I'm too damned excited for new jobs/classes. I can also predict that when they do release, everyone and their mother will be leveling and end gaming this job.

[LoLo]

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Yep, I'm sure your static will appreciate you bring a class to T9

In case warrior becomes paladin, then thief can become ninja? which is what's happening in XIV
what arugment is supposed to fall flat here?
No one said anything about FF1 anyway, until you just assumed anyone had any argument for it?

The reason I said anything about Warrior turning into to Knight also known as Paladin is because that isn't in the game right now. However, the main reason people say Thief must turn into Ninja is because it happened in Final Fantasy I (derping yet?).

This game isn't going by the standards of Final Fantasy I because Warrior isn't a class that turns into Paladin making the FFI argument invalid derp de derp. This claim that Rogue is the Thief job is not very smart. Do you read the entire discussion or just parts of it (I forgot to add derps to my last post to help you understand)? Because you make no sense right now.

[LoLo]

I said in the original it was fighter, and I was right, they changed the name in later versions, you were the one that said it was originally warrior, and it wasn't, at least not here in the states.

Looks to me that the Japanese version (which is the very first version) is Warrior (せんし, Senshi= means Warrior in English) while the english is Fighter but keep the derp alive!

[Exstal]

I said in the original it was fighter, and I was right, they changed the name in later versions, you were the one that said it was originally warrior, and it wasn't, at least not here in the states.

Sadly, he's correct. It was originally named Warrior (according to the FF Japanese wiki).

戦士 ⇒ ナイト (Warrior => Knight)
重装備に身を包み、武器を使った戦いを専門とする。クラスチェンジ後は一部の白魔法を習得できる。
シーフ ⇒ 忍者 (Thief => Ninja)
戦闘はやや苦手だが「こううん」が高く、「にげる」の成功率が高い。クラスチェンジ後は装備が大幅に増え、一部の黒魔法を習得できる。FC版では他のジョブと比べて見劣りするが、GBA版以降は「すばやさ」が物理攻撃の命中回数に関わるため、序盤から終盤まで攻撃力が高い。
モンク ⇒ スーパーモンク (Monk => Super Monk (haha))
肉弾戦の専門家。素手の攻撃力がレベルアップに従って加速度的に強くなる。物理攻撃の命中回数が倍になっていることもあり、最終的には全ジョブの中で最も攻撃力が強くなる。防具を装備しないと防御力が高くなる。
赤魔術士 ⇒ 赤魔道士 (Red Magic Artist => Red Mage) - weird one to translate
ある程度の白魔法・黒魔法を使うことができ、武器攻撃もこなす。
白魔術士 ⇒ 白魔道士 (White magic artist => white mage)
白魔法（主に回復魔法など）を使用できる。
黒魔術士 ⇒ 黒魔道士 (black magic artist => black mage)
黒魔法（主に攻撃魔法など）を使用できる。
スタート時の選択画面では「戦士・シーフ・モンク・赤魔術士」（機種によって「戦士・シーフ・白魔術士・黒魔術士」）が表示されているが、どんな組み合わせでもクリアはできる。複数のキャラクターを同じジョブにもできる。

So in the very first implementation, Warrior became Knight. Which based on the fact that it could use low level White magic, is what we in the English world came to know as Paladin. We know based from the ability to play FFXIV in Japanese that Paladin is not called Paladin in the Japanese version but Knight. But on that same token, I don't believe any of the Japanese would care if Thief was relegated to a class that directly upgrades into Ninja.

[Radacci]

Yep, I'm sure your static will appreciate you bring a class to T9



The reason I said anything about Warrior turning into to Knight also known as Paladin is because that isn't in the game right now. However, the main reason people say Thief must turn into Ninja is because it happened in Final Fantasy I (derping yet?).

This game isn't going by the standards of Final Fantasy I because Warrior isn't a class that turns into Paladin making the FFI argument invalid derp de derp. This claim that Rogue is the Thief job is not very smart. Do you read the entire discussion or just parts of it (I forgot to add derps to my last post to help you understand)? Because you make no sense right now.

why would they care, if my DPS is still high?
No i didn't read the entire thread. But anyone that says that Thief *must* turn into NIN, is wrong, or is that something you just assumed again? i haven't seen anyone make any such claims.
Also you're derp-talk is rather pathetic.

Anyway, i'm not gonna argue with you anymore, you're to blind to see any reason. You're even ignoring what Yoshi said...I'm repeating what he said, so if you're calling my argument *not very smart* then the joke's on you.

[Moheeheeko]

Cognitive Dissonance: The Thread

[LoLo]

why would they care, if my DPS is still high?
No i didn't read the entire thread. But anyone that says that Thief *must* turn into NIN, is wrong, or is that something you just assumed again? i haven't seen anyone make any such claims.
Also you're derp-talk is rather pathetic.

Anyway, i'm not gonna argue with you anymore, you're to blind to see any reason. You're even ignoring what Yoshi said...I'm repeating what he said, so if you're calling my argument *not very smart* then the joke's on you.

Have fun assuming the whole community will accept someone using a class on T9. BTW you DPS on coil 9 as a Mar is not a good point to bring up because Mar even as a class is suppose to tank. You aren't even using the class as it should be played. If your static is fine with that good for you. Don't expect everyone to accept alternative play styles just so that you can be right on saying that Rogue is this games Thief job. lol

I'm well aware of that *the whole community* wouldn't accept it but only 1% of the community, can even get to T9, so why should i care about what others think about it?
The wolf doesn't concern itself with the opinion of sheep, so to speak
A large part of the community can't even clear TitanHM, yet. So their arguments against ppl going as MRD to T9, is hardly valid.



I'm curious, what is this iconic image, that people were looking forward to?

You come off as a person who thinks they are clever, but in reality, not so much. If you can't understand the simple concept that people want to play a Thief Job, end game, and not a Rogue CLASS then I don't see the point in keeping this mindless discussion going. Nothing you have said is new to this thread, its been repeated every other page. Yes, the five other people on my blist have said the same stuff you have, word from word. None of what they said or you currently saying justifies denying people a Thief Job in this game. I'm certain you are only here for "entertainment" because you are oh so "bored". Yes on a Friday you are bored.