NINJA and ROGUE confirmed

[Zarzak]

Ninja = rogue + 5 abilities

rogue = thief

Ninja = thief + 5 abilities

What raid tier role currently exists that is different from their base in anything but name (except sch since it goes form a dps to a healer)

pug / monk = pug + dragon kick (added into pug rotation) + shoulder tackle (a movement ability) + a dmg buff.

thm / blm = thm + flare and some utility abilities



So your saying because it gained the flare ability it is a completely different class from thm? And because Rogue (thief) gains a couple abilities it is no longer going to use the other 17 abilities it has?

It's more accurate to say your playing rogue(thief) at 50 than ninja at 50. since 17 of the 22 abilities (and all the passives) are from rogue(thief)

[Cynric]

Ninja = rogue + 5 abilities

rogue = thief

Ninja = thief + 5 abilities

It's not a big deal right now but the more skills jobs get the less we will play like the class the job came from. I don't really see what the big difference between Ninja and a thief at endgame would be besides ninja having ninjutsu and thief having more generic DPS skills to make up for the fact that the one gimmick of thief can only be used with so many things (stealing)anyway.

[Kallera]

Ninja = rogue + 5 abilities

rogue = thief

Ninja = thief + 5 abilities

What raid tier role currently exists that is different from their base in anything but name (except sch since it goes form a dps to a healer)

pug / monk = pug + dragon kick (added into pug rotation) + shoulder tackle (a movement ability) + a dmg buff.

thm / blm = thm + flare and some utility abilities



So your saying because it gained the flare ability it is a completely different class from thm? And because Rogue (thief) gains a couple abilities it is no longer going to use the other 17 abilities it has?

It's more accurate to say your playing rogue(thief) at 50 than ninja at 50. since 17 of the 22 abilities (and all the passives) are from rogue(thief)

Mental jumping jacks that still do not reflect the reality that you are not playing a thief at 50, parties shall not seek a thief at 50, and the game itself is not developing a thief.

You are literally ignoring all manner of UI, skills, lore, and naming connotation to insist we have a thief.

[Reynhart]

Mental jumping jacks that still do not reflect the reality that you are not playing a thief at 50

That's why we say that people are complaining about a lack of name.
Give them a Ninja that can steal, mug, hide, sneak and trick attack, flee, and use every past skills from Thief archetype in the whole FF franchise, and they'd...still...be...complaining

I suppose people would have gotten mad if the game gave us Knight (Paladin), Fighter (Warrior), Black Belt (Monk), Priest (White Mage) and Wizard (Black Mage) like some FF did. DRG was even named "Lancer" in FF Anthology (Unacceptable ! )

[Cynric]

Mental jumping jacks that still do not reflect the reality that you are not playing a thief at 50, parties shall not seek a thief at 50, and the game itself is not developing a thief.

You are literally ignoring all manner of UI, skills, lore, and naming connotation to insist we have a thief.

If it gets steal we pretty much do. There isn't much to thief besides stealing.

[Zarzak]

And you are ignoring the fact that after 69 pages of responses not a single person has actually said what thief is supposed to do that rogue/ninja may or may not do.

Thief

Stealth class
Daggers
Sneak attacks
Steal*
Mug*



*Cynric listing this out reminded me. Mug takes gil and Steal takes money. Far as FFXI was concerned anyway.

Rogue

Dual wield abilities
Faster movement speed
Fall damage cut, more nimble
Poison effect will be key part of the class
Multiple poisons available for Rogue, use will vary based on situation
Stealth based class, there will be actions only available while in stealth mode
Main weapon will be dagger/knives


Ninja

Will have all the abilities used by rogue, will also add ninjutsu/mudras. Comboing the mudras different for diff results.


So... The only thing that has not been specifically confirmed / denied is whether or not Ninja will have a mug/steal type ability. Though these abilities would be questionable regardless since how focused on balance they are a class with the ability to generate gil/items with the click of an ability would likely not be allowed.