SMN - Why it is not a very interesting job and not a good upgrade from ACN

[Kerberon]

In 87 pages everything that can be said on this subject has been said. SE has knows your opinions at this point. You will never convince those on the other side that you are right. Just let this die. If you have fun as a sum play one, if you don't, don't, but this thread serves no purpose anymore.

[Hiruke]

SMN is actually really amazing. Sorry it isn't what you hoped, but it's a lot of fun. Moreso than any other ranged class, certainly.

[Butcherboy]

Beside ninja I'm actually going to work on Smn. Thus will b my first caster jobs in any mmo or games I've played. Always been physical dealer or tank. Heck I'm also lacking a whm ATM again first time healing in any mmo, Damm I'm getting out of my comfort zone. So can u guys direct me to Smn page so I can and what I need to do in terms or rotations and fear set up.

[Akiza]

So you're basically saying, Poison and Bio should go to Black Mage and Summoner should only have summons. Thus Summoner should have no attacks only summons, that come in do one big attack and go away until you can get mana back. Then you can just use Mage's Ballad for all your MP back and do it again. Sounds like you'd make a great FFXI dev.

Yes Bio,Miasma and Poisons should go back to the Black Mage and the Summoner should get the real Arcane Magic abilities such as Dark, Death, Break, Syphon while keeping ruin, ruin II, and changing drain so it restores hp.

[Dyvid]

Square Enix should give the Summoner the ability to absorb the Egi and summon the Primalsc with a reasonable cost.

So basically your main and only complaint is superficial. If the Egi looked like small primals you would have no issue with the class at all. Kind of hollow do you think?

Yes Bio,Miasma and Poisons should go back to the Black Mage and the Summoner should get the real Arcane Magic abilities such as Dark, Death, Break, Syphon while keeping ruin, ruin II, and changing drain so it restores hp.

Ah those are traditional BLM spells to.

[Bigcat9715]

What SE really need to do is have Miasma II work with fester.

[Akiza]

So basically your main and only complaint is superficial. If the Egi looked like small primals you would have no issue with the class at all. Kind of hollow do you think?

No visual presentation is an important aspect of the pets as well.

Ah those are traditional BLM spells to.

But those moves fit better with the Arcanist lore then Bio, Miasma and Poison spells.

[Exstal]

But those moves fit better with the Arcanist lore then Bio, Miasma and Poison spells.

That's irrelevant because they are Black Mage skills. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

[Shikiseki]

You know, with Ramuh and Levi (later Shiva too) comming soon, I really wish for an ability to shift the summoned egi with a passive party boost, depending on the egi you shift into - as in Ifrit gives Str+, Garuda gives SS+, Titan gives Vit+ etc. (maybe for the cost of 1 Aetherflow or just 1min CD).

That way, you'll still have to resummon if your egi when it's dead but it'll also bring more dynamic elements to the summoner.
We just need more dynamics with our summons and attacks that vary, depending on what egi is currently on the field - Tri-Disaster would be the best ability to do that (Like Enkindle).

But alas, the devs just give that class the shaft as they either don't bother or aren't bold enough to make it interesting.

[Wolf_Shay]

No visual presentation is an important aspect of the pets as well.

But those moves fit better with the Arcanist lore then Bio, Miasma and Poison spells.

This is further proof that you don't know the lore. Arcanists are tacticians who manipulate the field to support their allies, summoned or not. This means that DoTs and abilities that hinder their enemies are thematically appropriate.