SMN - Why it is not a very interesting job and not a good upgrade from ACN

[Akiza]

So you're basically saying, Poison and Bio should go to Black Mage and Summoner should only have summons. Thus Summoner should have no attacks only summons, that come in do one big attack and go away until you can get mana back. Then you can just use Mage's Ballad for all your MP back and do it again. Sounds like you'd make a great FFXI dev.

Yes Bio,Miasma and Poisons should go back to the Black Mage and the Summoner should get the real Arcane Magic abilities such as Dark, Death, Break, Syphon while keeping ruin, ruin II, and changing drain so it restores hp.

[Dyvid]

Square Enix should give the Summoner the ability to absorb the Egi and summon the Primalsc with a reasonable cost.

So basically your main and only complaint is superficial. If the Egi looked like small primals you would have no issue with the class at all. Kind of hollow do you think?

Yes Bio,Miasma and Poisons should go back to the Black Mage and the Summoner should get the real Arcane Magic abilities such as Dark, Death, Break, Syphon while keeping ruin, ruin II, and changing drain so it restores hp.

Ah those are traditional BLM spells to.

[Akiza]

So basically your main and only complaint is superficial. If the Egi looked like small primals you would have no issue with the class at all. Kind of hollow do you think?

No visual presentation is an important aspect of the pets as well.

Ah those are traditional BLM spells to.

But those moves fit better with the Arcanist lore then Bio, Miasma and Poison spells.

[Exstal]

But those moves fit better with the Arcanist lore then Bio, Miasma and Poison spells.

That's irrelevant because they are Black Mage skills. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

[Akiza]

That's irrelevant because they are Black Mage skills. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

They are Arcane skills from Final Fantasy XII

[Wolf_Shay]

They are Arcane skills from Final Fantasy XII

You just referenced a game that has no bearing on this...why?

[Wolf_Shay]

No visual presentation is an important aspect of the pets as well.

But those moves fit better with the Arcanist lore then Bio, Miasma and Poison spells.

This is further proof that you don't know the lore. Arcanists are tacticians who manipulate the field to support their allies, summoned or not. This means that DoTs and abilities that hinder their enemies are thematically appropriate.

[Akiza]

This is further proof that you don't know the lore. Arcanists are tacticians who manipulate the field to support their allies, summoned or not. This means that DoTs and abilities that hinder their enemies are thematically appropriate.

Arcanist lore from http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/pr/game/#!/magic/content
Arcanist Adepts of the art of arcanum derive their might from symbols of power born of geometric techniques hailing from across the southern seas. Held within occult grimoires, these symbols lend shape to the arcanist's aether, thereby allowing him to produce myriad powerful spells.
Using the selfsame symbols to unlock the latent power contained within gemstones, arcanists are also able to summon forth the familiar known as Carbuncle to carry out their bidding.
How does Bio, Miasma and Poison spells fit with occult power and Arcane Magic.

[Dyvid]

Arcanist lore from http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/pr/game/#!/magic/contentHow does Bio, Miasma and Poison spells fit with occult power and Arcane Magic.

Arcane - understood by few; mysterious or secret.
Occult - supernatural, mystical, or magical beliefs, practices, or phenomena.