WAR MT + PLD OT vs. PLD MT + WAR OT in terms of DPS

[Dano]

People forget that Warriors can sorta negate the damage penalty with maim (+20%) and storms eye (-10% slashing), a good warrior can pretty much keep it up and hold hate at the same time. But i think it's probably more efficient to have warrior as an offtank to do slashing debuff + attack debuff and DPS and leave the main tanking to PLD.

off topic: that said, I play both classes and it's no contest when it comes to damage, a warrior can out damage PLD easily while tanking/off tanking.

[Ooshima]

Off topic: that said, I play both classes and it's no contest when it comes to damage, a warrior can out damage PLD easily while tanking/off tanking.

And yes, most end game WARs that I know of are STR re-speced too. And they off defiance while in OT mode.

One of my FC's WAR last parsed 345 on a dummy, quite a few weeks ago. Now he's i110 with High Allagan Axe I think he's doing more now.

I doubt a PLD in Sword Oath can do this much.

[klops]

Though, if I remember Kitru's analysis correctly, Sword Oath can eventually catch up to and surpass non-defiance Warrior.

No chance.

[Fue]

No chance.

It actually will outdps warrior when hitting same target with slashing debuff. Without it the difference is neglible.

[Appleh4x]

And yes, most end game WARs that I know of are STR re-speced too. And they off defiance while in OT mode.

One of my FC's WAR last parsed 345 on a dummy, quite a few weeks ago. Now he's i110 with High Allagan Axe I think he's doing more now.

I doubt a PLD in Sword Oath can do this much.

His parser is broke or he only did it for 15 seconds, either way this post has 0 credibility. Paladin sword oath > War no defiance with equal gear and stat allotment.

[Nabian]

His parser is broke or he only did it for 15 seconds, either way this post has 0 credibility. Paladin sword oath > War no defiance with equal gear and stat allotment.

At ilvl99 using the Bravura Animus and str accessories I can easily pull 220-250 on a target dummy sustained dps (keep in mind i'm VIT specced). If I switched to str spec (i'm currently considering but I usually MT most fights (only experienced t6 and t7)), that would give me an additional 30 strength. With food I could probably squeeze out another 10-20 dps. I don't think 345 would be that difficult to obtain at all.

The extra 30 strength would probably give me an extra 40-50 dps. + the 10-20 from the food. That is easily an extra 50-70 dps on top of the 220-250 I already can pull. People in this game don't understand what DPS numbers the SHOULD be pulling. AN i90 dps should be pulling at least 300 dps on most fights. On dragoon (ilvl90) I can pull about 300-320 on a target dummy consistently. Fully geared monks are pulling around 450-500 dps on turn8 currently. Why is 350 such an unreasonable number?

[Alphras]

His parser is broke or he only did it for 15 seconds, either way this post has 0 credibility. Paladin sword oath > War no defiance with equal gear and stat allotment.

Lol no. The PLD wins more DPS when switching from Shield to Sword Oath, but the WAR still does more total dps. Keep in mind, that a warrior gets a permanent +20% damage with Maim.

Edit:

Doesn't damage decide the answer to your question? Either OT can wear dps accesories. War has a bit more utility for the OT role. Though, if I remember Kitru's analysis correctly, Sword Oath can eventually catch up to and surpass non-defiance Warrior. There's not a huge difference though.

The question is, who loses more dps when tanking.

Can you link this post? I would like to see it.

[Rbstr]

The question is, who loses more dps when tanking.

Relative or Absolute? In a relative %-damage-lost manner the Paladin can't do nearly the same damage while in tank stance. Wars get more potency on their combos on top of several damage enhancers.

In an absolute sense, even though the Paly loses a larger % of DPS, since the paly's DPS is lower to begin with I bet you're better off with a war OT.

[Alphras]

Absolute matters in this case, because we want to calculate which combination provides more total dps for the raid. And i think you are underestimating the 50 bonus potentcy on Sword Oath and the two jobs are pretty close in terms of dps when not tanking.

[whiskeybravo]

Can you link this post? I would like to see it.

I thought I replied to this but I guess not..

I went through 38 pages of posts in the tanking forum and can't find Kitru's post about this. Used to be in their signature but it's not anymore.