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  1. #191
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    Seif's Avatar
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    Seif Dincht
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    Honestly the only thing MW was ever going to be of any worth was the rare situation if it prevented RMT actions in the game.

    I can honestly say that I've never in my entire life played a MMO with more RMT than this game.
    RMT bots honestly make up a sizable massive chunk of the entire population on my server.

    AH is the most wanted feature ever talked about on lodestone. It has spawned hundreds of threads with thousands of replies.

    Even if they wanted to preserve MW as a secondary option I cannot understand why they aren't addressing this need.

    It's the most requested item after quests bar-none.
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  2. #192
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    Heat's Avatar
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    Heat Daour
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    when you buy from MW:
    if you buy one item, then fine, search for it then zone to get it.
    if you want to buy several items, then you have to zone multiple times, and that's very bad design.
    at AH you don't need to zone.

    when you sell through MW:
    you need to go to item search to see the price of the item then zone to your retainer, then you need to exchange with your retainer then cancel then view bazaar then sell the item, if you want to sell an item that is not listed there is no history list like the AH.

    so comparing MW with AH?
    I'll take AH
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  3. #193
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    Cendres's Avatar
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    Cindrie Estelloix
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiroh View Post
    Are you insinuating that all those adorable lalafells in R1 gear at Horizon named Besaid One through Besaid Ten were somehow connected to RMT? D=<
    MADNESS!!!!! :O
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  4. #194
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    Dreamer's Avatar
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    Mocha Leporina
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShinChuck View Post
    For the people talking as if the Wards are all that different from an AH in their current form, could you explain how? Yes, you have to walk to the vendor. But the search menu is essentially the same menu you bring up in numerous other games at an AH. You bring up a menu, search for what you want, look for the lowest price, and make the purchase.

    I just don't get all these posts saying, "I like the Wards better than an AH" or "We don't need an AH right now" when that's virtually what we have, just a bloated, unintuitive one. And, that being the case, we might as well streamline the process.
    The difference is that going to the retainer to make the purchase serves an important purpose. Let's say you just hit level 34 and decide it's time to replace some of your old gear. You start by searching for a Velveteen Beret. After finding the lowest price currently listed, you port in and find the proper retainer. Luckee! The retainer actually has a full set of Velveteen for sale at a good price. Oh, and there's a nice looking Con staff as well....

    The benefit of wards is that it allows us to operate like actual stores, instead of a mish mash of buy and sell orders. There's also the possibility of name recognition as well. If you find yourself frequently buying lumber from that one Ardarosemarket retainer in Gridania, eventually you'll recognize the name.

    Wards are also more immersive than a traditional AH. They function like the bazaars we would see in a fantasy setting, and while I realize that immersion isn't important to some, it is to me.

    Finally, the Wards/Retainer system has the possibility of having more depth than an AH, should they choose to expand on it. Imagine custom stall signs, retainers that have levels that have an impact on how many items you can sell and the amount you pay in taxes, a way to place a buy order with your retainer that doesn't involve needing the item in your inv, and more. There really are a lot of possibilities with the system.
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  5. #195
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    Maya Fey
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    I don't mind the ward system other than the fact i forget which area the retainer is in that im looking for forcing me to look twice through the laggy menu system.
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  6. #196
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    Wolfie Wu
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer View Post
    The difference is that going to the retainer to make the purchase serves an important purpose. Let's say you just hit level 34 and decide it's time to replace some of your old gear. You start by searching for a Velveteen Beret. After finding the lowest price currently listed, you port in and find the proper retainer. Luckee! The retainer actually has a full set of Velveteen for sale at a good price. Oh, and there's a nice looking Con staff as well....

    The benefit of wards is that it allows us to operate like actual stores, instead of a mish mash of buy and sell orders. There's also the possibility of name recognition as well. If you find yourself frequently buying lumber from that one Ardarosemarket retainer in Gridania, eventually you'll recognize the name.

    Wards are also more immersive than a traditional AH. They function like the bazaars we would see in a fantasy setting, and while I realize that immersion isn't important to some, it is to me.

    Finally, the Wards/Retainer system has the possibility of having more depth than an AH, should they choose to expand on it. Imagine custom stall signs, retainers that have levels that have an impact on how many items you can sell and the amount you pay in taxes, a way to place a buy order with your retainer that doesn't involve needing the item in your inv, and more. There really are a lot of possibilities with the system.
    Remind me again how that kind of functionality can't be replicated in a system where the shops aren't physically rendered and cramped together in small dungeons?
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  7. #197
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    Riyuna Nixilus
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    Shiva
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Demacia View Post
    If you could interact with the market wards through the UI instead of having to physically walk into a room full of stationary NPCs it would be much better. We could call it.... the market house, or MH for short.

    It would not be an AH at all.
    This is what i think should be done. Same system as we have now but with an FFXI-esque Ui to it, so you can browse by type much easier etc.
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  8. #198
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    Irana's Avatar
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    Index Labyrinthya
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    Midgardsormr
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    Lancer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Defmetal View Post
    We don't really need an auction house, the market wards do everything an AH does except that you have to pick up your item(s).

    What does an AH do that you can't do in the wards?

    An action house doesnt tell me the wards are FILLED WITH botters retainers and forces me to choose a different ward and costing me more money to sell items because they are on the wrong ward.
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  9. #199
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    Tid Bones
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Lol i dont see how can AH make people lazy...youre already sit in couch lazying, someone stated this coment.

    Anyway, MW sucks.
    Zone for each item sucks.
    Have to have 1 retainer for each ward sucks(if everyone wants to have most of their items in the right ward that is)
    Always crashing + tossing retainers out of the wards sucks.

    Unless they make it like a AH, where you dont have to zone in to sell/buy , yeah dont need a AH if they make it this way.

    Just make retainers to store items, sell...not so good.
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  10. #200
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    Chezen Lightbreak
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    Hyperion
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfie View Post
    Remind me again how that kind of functionality can't be replicated in a system where the shops aren't physically rendered and cramped together in small dungeons?
    Cause then they are not shops that you go to.

    We can all go rounds with this and no one will budge far. It's not worth bickering about further. AH might be requested, but MW are also requested. SE will have to figure it out themselves.
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