Younoob Tutorials.

[Divine_Intervention]

On this one i'm a bit like Hulan, with a slight difference.

If I'm running something for the very first time, I'll try it without watching/reading a guide. I enjoy the "holy crap" factor of not knowing exactly what's going to happen.
If it happens that I'm incapable of dealing with it, I'll thank the party and give them the option to remove me. If they're patient enough to deal with me, happy days we'll continue. If not, I'll be out of the party, go do my research on the fight as per my role, and go back in.
I don't particularly see it as a waste of other peoples' time if I want to experience the content that's new to me in game. But, I don't mind so much if i know i need to learn a bit more to beat it.

[LineageRazor]

Going into an instance blind and working it all out from scratch is awesome fun - IF all of the folks participating with you are on board with it. I play the game with a static party of five members, and for all the four-man stuff that is what we did.

Sadly, this was a practice we had to set aside once we got to the eight-man stuff. It's flat-out disrespectful to the party members who fill out our eight to go in blind, and so we study up ahead of time.

So, my advice when you want to indulge in this particular pleasure is to use Party Finder to gather a group, rather than dive into Duty Finder and ruin the days of seven other living, breathing human beings who are paying just as much for this game as you are. Make it clear in the Party Finder that experience is not required, nor is watching videos or any other sort of preparatory studying. That party will fill faster than you might think! There are always plenty of inexperienced players looking for practice, and often even a few experienced players willing to show the newbies the ropes.

If it happens that I'm incapable of dealing with it, I'll thank the party and give them the option to remove me.

This might work for DDs, but if you're a healer or a tank and you pull this, the "option to remove you" is actually "the option to either sit on our thumbs for a half our or more and pray that a new tank or healer joins, or keep the nub healer/tank and pray they shape up in less time than it would take to get a new one". :P

[OSUBuckeye4]

So, my advice when you want to indulge in this particular pleasure is to use Party Finder to gather a group, rather than dive into Duty Finder and ruin the days of seven other living, breathing human beings who are paying just as much for this game as you are. Make it clear in the Party Finder that experience is not required, nor is watching videos or any other sort of preparatory studying. That party will fill faster than you might think! There are always plenty of inexperienced players looking for practice, and often even a few experienced players willing to show the newbies the ropes.

I very much disagree with this approach.

DF is always and will always be a roll of the dice.

You might get 7 people who know the content inside and out and are bored while waiting for their static to log on.

You might get 7 people who have never set foot into the content and have no idea what they are doing.


You shouldn't go into DF expecting an auto-win... that's ridculous.

If you make a PF group and say "experience required" and someone who has never seen the content comes. Yes, that person should be flamed. Queing up for DF to experience the content? Nope, no expereince required.




Also, how is it "ruining someones day" if you que up to content you don't know, but make honest attempts at completing it?

The real problem with this game is that there are so many entitled brats who feel like, "one fail = leave". We have an hour to beat primals, but I've rarely ever been in a group that lasted more than 20 minutes. One or two wipes and someone rage quits, rather than sticking around and trying to help the group achieve victory. That's the real problem, not someone who doesn't want to watch a video showing them exactly what to do.