carrying unskilled healers..

[DududeDude]

It's also basically impossible to actually distinguish this. Especially since the qualification of good healing in this game is more complicated than you'd think, since really good healing isn't just about healing, it's also about knowing when you can safely add damage.

[sheepysheepy]

the best way to give recognition to the one who deserves it is to play a healer for a few months and then pay attention to the fight when you're dps/tank, you'll be thinking "i would of been doing this" "i wouldn't of done that" "i hope he starts shielding x soon"

[Aloreal]

I just play as if the other healer doesn't exist. Any healing they may or may not do is bonus to me. This is the only thing that keeps me sane in 8 man trails/dungeons.

This. 100% this.

If other healer helps out its all good, otherwise suck it up and do it all.

As for the parcer on actions per minute that would also mean nothing if you are comparing whm with sch. sch will do more actions due to the fact that even if they want to dps anything they will do more attacks. or even overhealing is not constant due to adlo 'overhealing' which will provide a shield and we put it on even if tank is 100% hp.

[EricCartmenez]

I find this conversation interesting because I did my first duties with a 2nd healer over the weekend and I thought, "Now what?" As a BRD, I always noticed that the tanks would say, "do you want to MT or OT?", but you don't know who is MH and who is OH. Should I be healing the tanks? Should one of us be healing the MT while the other the OT? Should one be taking care of the DPS and the other the tanks? What about when extra DPS is needed? Who should be slamming on the needles while the other continues to heal? If one is a SCH and the other is WHM, there are so many opportunities to exploit each other's strengths if tactic is applied. When you drop into any of these duties and no one has worked together before, a small bit of communication can help quell the confusion for sure. Somehow, I was able to work through Chimera, Bowl of Embers, and the Hydra; but I think it would have been better had we communicated in the beginning.

[Divine_Intervention]

Something I found particularly difficult when I first started my 8 mans as WHM was mana management. I would be overusing Cure II until i figured "hey if that tank has half hp bar, chances are the other healer is going to be throwing at least a cure at them" , so i switched to using Cure I unless it was a high damage phase, at which point i communicate with my co-healer to keep stoneskins up/or they take the healing while i do that.

To me, there are a lot of qualifiers as to what makes me or them "good". I prefer the term capable. The main thing for me is communication. How many times have i swifcast>raise>benediction onto MT , only to realise the other WHM has done the exact same. So, i macroed it up to say who i was raising.

[sheepysheepy]

I always noticed that the tanks would say, "do you want to MT or OT?", but you don't know who is MH and who is OH. Should I be healing the tanks? Should one of us be healing the MT while the other the OT?

in a static that will be discussed, in a pug you just cant trust anyone and you do your best to cover everything..
coil1&4 are so much easier if you assign heals, but in a lot of fights MT just means "i'll be taking damage pretty much all the time" and OT means "i'll pick up adds and stuff", so the guy assigned to OT healing would spend a lot of time helping with MT whenever they know OT isn't in danger

[Rydia13]

Why do people only care about recognition? :/ If you completed the content without much struggle, what's the big deal? If the other healer is seriously slacking, bring it to the party's attention and kick them.

[Divine_Intervention]

Why do people only care about recognition? :/ If you completed the content without much struggle, what's the big deal? If the other healer is seriously slacking, bring it to the party's attention and kick them.

That's just abuse of the kick system my friend. Sure, it sucks to have someone who's having trouble with whatever you're trying to do, but I'd personally prefer to help them learn/improve.

[Rydia13]

That's just abuse of the kick system my friend. Sure, it sucks to have someone who's having trouble with whatever you're trying to do, but I'd personally prefer to help them learn/improve.

I agree with helping people that don't know the content, but I'm talking about slackers. People who are obviously watching tv or multitasking rl with in-game. Those are the ones that need to be kicked.

[Aloreal]

Something I found particularly difficult when I first started my 8 mans as WHM was mana management. I would be overusing Cure II until i figured "hey if that tank has half hp bar, chances are the other healer is going to be throwing at least a cure at them" , so i switched to using Cure I unless it was a high damage phase, at which point i communicate with my co-healer to keep stoneskins up/or they take the healing while i do that.

To me, there are a lot of qualifiers as to what makes me or them "good". I prefer the term capable. The main thing for me is communication. How many times have i swifcast>raise>benediction onto MT , only to realise the other WHM has done the exact same. So, i macroed it up to say who i was raising.

What i find its good if a sch takes tanks and the whm takes the rest of the party. not in all situations im sure but cause i enter as a sch mostly when i know i can handle tanks on my own i do it and i say so. if its a phase with adds the other one will cover of OT other than that tanks are mine.

Why do people only care about recognition? :/ If you completed the content without much struggle, what's the big deal? If the other healer is seriously slacking, bring it to the party's attention and kick them.

Its a pad in the back for doing a good job. we want people to know that we carried the damn party through the thick of it and survived. Its our proud moments. If you dont feel it its on you but most of us would like to at least get a damn commendation as an apriciation of our competence.

I agree with helping people that don't know the content, but I'm talking about slackers. People who are obviously watching tv or multitasking rl with in-game. Those are the ones that need to be kicked.

Prove it. if he is not clearly afking, or offline you run for a kick abuse.