carrying unskilled healers..

[Lanceton]

in my own pug experience there are so many unskilled healers out there that need carrying from skilled healers...
it would be nice to give better skilled healers more recognition, but how? what parser stats would be better for evaluation?

[Pharazon]

there is no such thing as better skilled healers in the sense of a parser trackable stat. The only thing that matters is that the healer doesn't let anyone die and keeps the parties debuffs cleared as well. Healers with higher skill can continue to perform that function while doing some dps and making the run go faster or by maintaining those criteria on large pulls during speed runs.

During 8 man content it can sometimes be hard to tell which healer is stronger if the weaker one is having his slack picked up by the better healer but its usually not too hard to tell who is performing better. WHM should be maintaining nearly 100% uptime on regen on the tank and getting medica II up for things like stomps or splumes and scholar should not have their fairy die by having it in the wrong location and should be getting succor up before aoe damage or maybe dropping a sacred soil. If you are familiar enough with the things healers are doing to make the run easier, then it becomes very easy to spot them when they are not there and identify the weaker healer. This is a great opportunity to coach them and let them know how they can make their own life easier.

[NintenPyjak64]

A parser wouldn't be effective, but the healer that had to work harder to make up for the other healer's faults would obviously be the one to receive most recognition.

(inb4 a certain infamous WHM on this forum appears in this thread to offer poor insight)

[Alistaire]

MP remaining can be a bad sign, one full and one empty means something's not working right.

[Odd]

MP remaining can be a bad sign, one full and one empty means something's not working right.

Not necessarily.

I would argue that the one ending with no MP is doing something wrong.

[Itseotle]

Not necessarily.

I would argue that the one ending with no MP is doing something wrong.

I would argue that the one with no MP is having more DPS uptime and the other is standing idle.

[Merryl]

No mp in larger than 4 man groups just means they are the main healer. Works just like the main tanks. Can be even more boring than normal, which is why you will often see one healer in cleric stance.

[Kaisha]

No mp in larger than 4 man groups just means they are the main healer.

Or that they're severely overhealing.

Healers should have zero problems sustaining their MP assuming no deaths.

[Seoulstar]

Or that they're severely overhealing.

Healers should have zero problems sustaining their MP assuming no deaths.

Or that could also be due to the team inability to dodge and/or the dps attacking mobs and grabbing aggro. As for the Op, it's called learning. People should try to help inexperienced players instead of insulting and/or complaining about them.

[Pharazon]

The real problem with trying to use a measurable metric rather than using your best judgement and recognizing the healer on your own is that the metrics aren't stable. For example

MP remaining depends on what the healers are doing. When you are super comfortable with a fight you will likely find yourself wanting to do some dps as well as heal, so you will be burning mana on that or maybe just throwing some extra stoneskins to keep you busy. Also a weak healer using inefficient heals will run out of mana just the same as the good healer having to burn more heals to make up for the weaker one. The reverse is true for staying at full mana. A good healer being efficient is at full, the same as the weak healer basically doing no healing.

Also just because you healed a dps from 25% to full doesn't mean that you healed the right dps to full because they were more likely to take damage next.

Trying to measure amount of healing done is irrelevant unless you can isolate the target that received the healing as well as remove the overhealing so you can verify the healers were putting the healing where it needed to go and weren't overhealing, but even then that still doesn't cover my last point which is why ultimately you have to recognize the healers on your own by knowing the things to look for during a fight.