I think it is time to admit the obvious - Echo is an insult to the average gamer.

[RickXRolled]

I agree. Whenever I join titan hm to pass the time and people fail, they see this buff and think hurrah! leet buffs! Then when they finally win with 30-50% echo they are like:" We did it guys!". (While still dead on the floor mind you.)

I thought I was the only one that actually saw the echo notification as an insult telling you you suck and need the game to help you.

[Vahlnir]

I agree. Whenever I join titan hm to pass the time and people fail, they see this buff and think hurrah! leet buffs! Then when they finally win with 30-50% echo they are like:" We did it guys!". (While still dead on the floor mind you.)

I thought I was the only one that actually saw the echo notification as an insult telling you you suck and need the game to help you.

To me it isn't so much of an insult if you know you're doing well, and I'm fairly confident in my own abilities. For some groups it's literally their only chance at a win...especially when it comes to Titan HM. It's far from a guaranteed win though when it does kick in.

[RickXRolled]

To me it isn't so much of an insult if you know you're doing well, and I'm fairly confident in my own abilities. For some groups it's literally their only chance at a win...especially when it comes to Titan HM. It's far from a guaranteed win though when it does kick in.

I don' t see it as an insult to me specifically, since I already know I don' t need it to perform flawlessly on titan hm or any other primal for that matter. I meant it more as an insult to those who can' t seem to get the fight down by ordinary means, but can with multiple stacks of echo.(multi-plume eaters who can survive through sheer hp)

[Vahlnir]

I don' t see it as an insult to me specifically, since I already know I don' t need it to perform flawlessly on titan hm or any other primal for that matter. I meant it more as an insult to those who can' t seem to get the fight down by ordinary means, but can with multiple stacks of echo.(multi-plume eaters who can survive through sheer hp)

I get what your saying, but some people take longer than others to learn a fight, and if I'm stuck in queue with a group who learns slowly it grows frustrating. That said I continue to help until someone leaves regardless. Also, I just noticed who created this thread. They don't have a lot of credibility to begin with, yet they keep making threads.

[HeroSamson]

I agree. Whenever I join titan hm to pass the time and people fail, they see this buff and think hurrah! leet buffs! Then when they finally win with 30-50% echo they are like:" We did it guys!". (While still dead on the floor mind you.)

I thought I was the only one that actually saw the echo notification as an insult telling you you suck and need the game to help you.

Are you going to help them? Because from what I have seen people say are "why should I take my time out to help someone else" Why even complain about the buff when you already did the fight.

When people have probably been struggling for months, you think they shouldn't enjoy the full content or be stuck in one place forever?

[RickXRolled]

Are you going to help them? Because from what I have seen people say are "why should I take my time out to help someone else" Why even complain about the buff when you already did the fight.

When people have probably been struggling for months, you think they shouldn't enjoy the full content or be stuck in one place forever?

I do titan 3-8 times a day to pass the time. 95% of the time I complete them, whether it' s with or without echo depends on the rest. The amount of people I' ve carried as the only living dps or the only healer is ridiculously high.
If I see someone actually trying and improving I will keep going for their sake. if I see people die in I90+ and not improve I will still try to finish the fight but I won' t really care if we win or not.

I' ve been doing this since November, back then I did it by joining shout/pf once it was introduced. Now I just quee for it in the DF.