DPS meters and why they're necessary

[Dwill]

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While it might be impossible for PS4 players (for now) to use parsers, it can actually benefit them if a friend can use one to tell them how they are doing and how to improve.

WoW still has 7.6 millions members, Final Fantasy XIV has 2 millions and the spike of incoming players has slowed down, a lot of it due to the release of ESO and Wildstart. So saying the era of WoW is over reeks of ignorance.

Being casual and wanting parsers are not mutually exclusive. I play on a casual level due to real life constraints, I haven't touched the SCoB, not even finished all the extreme Primals nor even bested Twintania. It's kind of hilarious that you'd label me an elitist due to sheer ignorance on your part, though it comes to no surprise.

If it was end of discussion, why are you still posting?

Because any semblence of arguments he had was demolished so he's resorting to ad hominem and stupid pictures.

Oh wow, so now people are comparing Gear ilvl to Parsers in-terms of segregation to try and continue the argument...

Whether you like it or not, certain people are being denied of being in certain PF group due to a way over the iLVL required by certain people even if they meet the one deemed good enough by SE. Are you gonna tell me that judging via iLVL is a-ok but via an actual metric it's not ?

[ParadiseCircus]

It's kind of hilarious that you'd label me an elitist due to sheer ignorance on your part

Oh RLY??

Because you don't like this being an elitist viewpoint doesn't make it any less true.

Better watch what you say, you said it yourself... if you're supporting an idea you accept its elitist it makes you aware of your position... you don't have to be a hardcore gamer to be an elitist, don't use that excuse please... but I mean it's okay keep calling me ignorant as much as u want although it really seems to be you're only projecting your own insecurities lol

[ParadiseCircus]

...impossible for PS4 players (for now) to use parsers, it can actually benefit them if a friend can use one to tell them how they are doing and how to improve

For now? wait wait we are talking about 3pt programs tools here not in-game parser, so do you even know how much it takes to get a developer license from Sony to develop apps in ps4?

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We are not even taking in consideration if Sony allows you to affect directly a game with the apps you develop

Your argument has lost its strength completely for thinking that PS4 users have a parser friend.... you don't even know if they play with them, I have seen tons of PS4 free companies out there...

See this what I was talking from the beginning, you only look around you, I'm pretty sure you don't even thought about PS4 user to begin with...

[scarebearz]

If SE built a parser/damage gauge into the game, is would be accessible for everyone.

[Dwill]

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Accepting one elitist viewpoint doesn't make me an elitist just the same that a democrat agreeing with one viewpoint of a republican doesn't make him a republican.

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The ability for SE to develop something for the PS4 is there, whether it takes more effort than the PC or not. You can't dismiss it due to the fact of being complicated according to your opinion. And after reading your links, it doesn't even seen that much for a company has big as SE.

It seems clear to me you're incapable of making an argument that's not a logical fallacy, arguing with you is becoming a waste of time. After all, they do say ignorance is bliss so keep having fun in your ignorance.

[ParadiseCircus]

And after reading your links, it doesn't even seen that much for a company has big as SE.

Oh god please.... I'm a developer you have like 0 idea of what kind of trouble this kind of stuff involves, so I'm not even gonna discuss with someone who has 0 idea about it.

It seems clear to me you're incapable of making an argument that's not a logical fallacy, arguing with you is becoming a waste of time. After all, they do say ignorance is bliss so keep having fun in your ignorance.

Keep leaving in that small bubble of yours, you wanted real arguments? A few been said already but you keep rolling your eyes and calling it an ignorant fallacy!!!! which sadly is just denial, reason why you're are sitting only playing a video game & not developing or managing it.

Come back with your whim after you have real prove of why this actually needed, for now have fun not getting banned .

[scarebearz]

Oh god please.... I'm a developer you have like 0 idea of what kind of trouble this kind of stuff involves, so I'm not even gonna discuss with someone who has 0 idea about it.

There is already an enmity meter built in, it would be little trouble for SE to add a damage meter.

Funny how on these types of forums everyone claims to be a developer/games designer etc etc etc, depending on the current argument. lol

[Kaisha]

Oh god please.... I'm a developer you have like 0 idea of what kind of trouble this kind of stuff involves, so I'm not even gonna discuss with someone who has 0 idea about it.

The devs have already stated long ago that when the add-on package for PC comes out, they'll take the popular picks and integrate an official solution eventually for the PS4 playerbase.

PVP scoreboard already shows the server has some semblance of parsing built-in, so I'm not surprised if they eventually add an official solution in some 'friendly' manner.

[Shurrikhan]

When meters are (fully) allowed: "Your dps is low."

When meters are not (fully) allowed: "You might want to make sure you're keeping up Heavy and Chaos Thrust." (Hopefully after having actually noticing this, rather than just giving frequent reasons.)

The difference is that you don't just need to know that something is bad, but also the reasons (which could be given in alternative to 'my parser says so'), which are far more useful to the person doing poorly.

[ParadiseCircus]

There is already an enmity meter built in, it would be little trouble for SE to add a damage meter.

Funny how on these types of forums everyone claims to be a developer/games designer etc etc etc, depending on the current argument. lol

Funny how people comment when they don't even read, how many times do I have to say it?... every game has a parser it's necessary for development, it doesn't mean they have to give one to the game user.... so that kind of argument is merely stupid.

I'm not even against parsing but right now it won't be a smart move by SE to implement a parser as current ones, thats what I've been trying to say since my 1st post, if you guys can't understand that, well nothing I can do, but if I'm sure about something is that you're never gonna see a parser like the one you are demanding for.

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PvE & PvP are two completely different topics so let's not go there because that is just pointless.