This needs to be stopped, and immediately.

[Madruck]

Oh my god can people actually read the thread they're replying to and stop posting nonsense? It's been pointed out several times that GMs do not punish people at all with an actual quote from a GM saying that they do not mediate player disputes. You are in fairy land if you think GMs are anywhere near as harsh as vindictive people wish they were.

Clearly written when you initiate a Vote Kick:Please be warned that unjustified usage of vote dismiss is a punishable act. If you also read: http://support.na.square-enix.com/fa...8&id=5382&la=1, it also tells you what those punishments are. So it is not about GM's being vindictive people, its about fair play and regulations set down by SE in regards to player conduct.

[Madruck]

Calling that bluff right there with a quote from before

OPneedNerfs, please like I stated before.....test that assumption at your own leisure if you like and then you will find out what happens when you harass another player for either being new or learning the game. Anyone who thinks VKing a player for watching cutscenes or learning a fight are the bane of a positive gaming community which only erodes the enjoyment of the game for all players.

[OPneedNerfs]

OPneedNerfs, please like I stated before.....test that assumption at your own leisure if you like and then you will find out what happens when you harass another player for either being new or learning the game. Anyone who thinks VKing a player for watching cutscenes or learning a fight are the bane of a positive gaming community which only erodes the enjoyment of the game for all players.

If you actually bothered to read the OP, they actually let the OP watch his valuable cutscenes until the last fight before kicking because he did not contribute much to the completion of the dungeon. He even admitted himself with this jewel right here:

Then guess what? I managed to see all cutscenes but in everything we do, and especially in MMOs there is a trade-off so as you can tell a missed a couple of boss fights.And before you make the argument of seeing it afterwards, don't even bother. I am not going to experience a game or any game in small proportions. It ruins everything.

At least the players in his group allowed him to watch the cutscenes all the way TO THE END before kicking. The OP is overreacting and being a kid really. It's a lower level of frustrating similar to having someone in the group fall off titan right at the start and claiming loot at the end of the fight.

1. OP got to watch his cutscenes, all the way till the end.
2. OP ignored the other players asking him to not watch cutscenes, so they responded in kind by not wasting their own time and going ahead with fights.
3. OP is unhappy he got kicked because he did not contribute enough to the completion of the dungeon.

It's almost as if you players on the EN servers don't wish to complete content when you queue for the DF. DF has one purpose and one purpose only, which is to help you form a group from a bigger pool of players from different servers to aid in the completion of said content. Obvious with this being an MMO, your time < their time and their time < your time. Your time = their time. Watch cutscenes if you will, if your party is nice, they'll let you watch it. If your party is even nicer, they'll let you get a free ride to complete the dungeon with you doing nothing at all right till the end other than watching cutscenes. Else, it's either a kick at the start(this is the worst case obviously) or kick at the end(where you actually got to view ALL the cutscenes up till the final boss).

Now, if the new player was only wanting to go in to view the cutscenes for their first time for the immersion, he already got his goal as he got to watch the cutscenes uninterrupted. The next time he goes in, assuming he got kicked like the OP in the previous run, he can actually skip the cutscenes now and do the battles for the other part of immersion.

tl;dr you can't have your cake and eat it too.

[RygaenYuui]

You can watch all your cutscenes again in your Inn room.

The problem isn't with players, it's with the developers. The penultimate storyline cutscenes shouldn't be taking place in the dungeons.

Welcome to Final Fantasy. If nothing else, Cutscenes will be thrown at you left and right for everything. Cutscenes make the world go round.

Unfortunately, the OP is right. If he wants to watch CSes during his first run he should be able to do so. He's not mad about people skipping cutscenes; He's upset that his party actually kicked him for watching them during the dungeon run. Pretty evident why he's upset if people care to read his original post.

SE does need to make a check for all players to be ready before bosses can be started instead of doing a lockout system soon as the boss is started to allow people time to watch the cutscenes and participate in the gameplay.

Also, if the guy who's running this dungeon for 100th time is still doing so for mythologies, then perhaps he'd like to come up to speed and start spamming brayflox hard where there are no cutscenes and he can earn 100+ mythologies within less time than he spent queuing for Praetorium? Kicking people is so much more efficient evidently. Way to be efficient, right? Praetorium is soooo difficult you need all 8 people to complete it.

Developers can't really calculate people's inconsideration for others but I hope they take it into consideration for future content releases since our community is such that would boot a 1st timer for stopping to smell the roses.

[Duuude007]

If it wasn't for the veterans, there wouldn't even BE a timely formation of the party.

Fixed that for you.

That said, DF is restriction free. By design. If the party cannot come to an agreement on cs skipping or leaving idle players at the entrance, there is nothing you or I can do about it, besides adapt or accept. Or quit.

[Kiokin]

If it wasn't for the new guys, there wouldn't even BE roulette.

You're a tad wrong there. If the roulette didn't exist new players would have to wait a VERY long time for the queue of their mandatory story duties. In my opinion, it's only polite that said new players move at the pace the other 7 are moving, and watch the cutscenes in their room when they're done.

[RygaenYuui]

You're a tad wrong there. If the roulette didn't exist new players would have to wait a VERY long time for the queue of their mandatory story duties. In my opinion, it's only polite that said new players move at the pace the other 7 are moving, and watch the cutscenes in their room when they're done.

^ This logic is boggling.

If the new player doesn't care about CS, so be it. If the new player, like the OP, is interested in the CSes, then the "courteous" thing would be for players to actually wait and be supportive. You don't ask newcomers to immediately get on your level from the get go. It should never be expected.

If you're in a hurry, Praetorium is the last dungeon in Eorzea that requires speed running. You can save yourself the grief of trying to do so.

Honestly. There are better and much more efficient ways.

[SarcasmMisser]

Clearly written when you initiate a Vote Kick:Please be warned that unjustified usage of vote dismiss is a punishable act. If you also read: http://support.na.square-enix.com/fa...8&id=5382&la=1, it also tells you what those punishments are. So it is not about GM's being vindictive people, its about fair play and regulations set down by SE in regards to player conduct.

You're wrong just admit it and stop posting dribble.

[Eggnook24]

Fixed that for you.

That said, DF is restriction free. By design. If the party cannot come to an agreement on cs skipping or leaving idle players at the entrance, there is nothing you or I can do about it, besides adapt or accept. Or quit.

You didn't fix anything. My statement wasn't broke. But your self entitlement is showing, might want to fix THAT.

Personally, I'll run instances even outside of DF on my sly classes, helping newbies enjoy the game and learn mechanics. Without new peeps, the game will die. Everyone needs help once in a while, and an MMORPG community should be different than a Call of Duty community. The RPG aspect of the MMO is just that, an immersive role playing story. Want speed runs? Maybe then YOU can ask if it's ok.

[Kiokin]

^ This logic is boggling.

If the new player doesn't care about CS, so be it. If the new player, like the OP, is interested in the CSes, then the "courteous" thing would be for players to actually wait and be supportive. You don't ask newcomers to immediately get on your level from the get go. It should never be expected.

If you're in a hurry, Praetorium is the last dungeon in Eorzea that requires speed running. You can save yourself the grief of trying to do so.

Honestly. There are better and much more efficient ways.

Considering the new players likely wouldn't finish these quests in a timely manner without people queuing for main scenario roulette, I don't think it's ridiculous to ask them to not waste everyone's time, particularly when cutscenes are able to be viewed elsewhere at their leisure.