This needs to be stopped, and immediately.

[Souljacker]

The problem isn't with the players it's with the design. If the dungeon was meant to be one-time, story driven, then cutscenes are appropriate throughout. I'm thinking along the lines of CoP missions where you go through it once with other players who either also need the content and want to see the scenes or 1-2 players are there to help you as friends and aren't worried about the extra few minutes it takes.

SE REALLY needs to get on board with modern mmo design.Some things they are learning, but other things are still seriously slow. Even the option to skip cutscenes is annoying as all hell. I'm grateful they at least added that, but my character literally stopping every 5 minutes in CM, fading to black, spinning busy icon for several seconds, then fading back in (and it's what, a total of maybe 7 times during the course of the encounter?) is so beyond intrusive and obnoxious I don't even know how something like this made it past their QA.

It's caused the kinds of issues the OP has run into where he as 1 person wants 7 other people to let him take it slower, and those 7 other people exercised their right to remove him from the dungeon because he wasn't participating in the fights and helping the group. It's NOT griefing, and nothing at all will happen to any of them. This is a problem that SE needs to address. Cutscenes on the player's INDIVIDUAL time before and after group content, but not in the middle and certainly not to the degree it was implemented in this content.

[Authority]

The fact is we are all paying customers, people will want to watch the cutscenes in CM/PRAE and people will want to speedrun. Then the speedrunners flip out at the cutscene watchers but you decided to join the main scenario roulette. You took the risk of dealing with new players who will want to watch their cutscenes. You cannot expect every CM/PRAE to be a speed run, it's not fair to the new players and we really shouldn't treat them like crap because they are enjoying the storyline.

Well I was called a casual in one story-driven place because I said something "Stop the Garleans!" and he replied "Stop the casuals" but I never felt the need to prove how hardcore I am (4-5 years in Aion ect). If I knew speedruns were expected, were the norm or default, have some form of indication like "Hard Mode" ect then I would expect that. If I was playing an MMO and I knew it was too old, I would always ask my legion to help me out or other random people would do that. I just didn't expect that I was expected to skip the cut-scenes as a first timer in the story mode. And far too many have I encountered people wanting to see the cut-scenes in every MMO and the same thing happened; everyone agreed.

It is a shame because from my experience with MMOs and it is not small mind you (shit-ton I have played) FFXIV right now in the West has got the best main story let alone the best story implemented.

[Parodine]

I stopped doing the Main Scenario roulette because I didn't want to deal with regular runs and the myth pay out simply wasn't worth it anymore.

IMO, if you're that 'hardcore' enough to not have the patience for people's cutscenes, you should be SRing Brayflow or something that's going to give you more myth anyway. It's a story dungeon, let people have their closure. Watching them in the inn isn't the same experience, sorry.

[Kewitt]

I think a simple fix is the 1st time someone joins a dungeon require 3/4 or 7/8 for the kick to work.

[Aldora]

You need to understand that many people are doing The Praetorium as part of their dailies. They have already seen the cutscenes and want to get through the encounter. None of these people want to wait 10 minutes for you to watch cutscenes.

The problem isn't with players, it's with the developers. The penultimate storyline cutscenes shouldn't be taking place in the dungeons.

I’m sorry, but saying that this is not a problem of the players but the developers is just pointing the finger to someone else. The players have an equal share of the blame in this. SE provided the tools, but it’s they players that determine the way they want to (ab)use the system.

I mean, you have the option to skip the cutscenes, but you are not required to do so. You also have the option to wait for other to get ready before taking off, but you are not required to do so. This is and will be a lose-lose situation for both camps. Neither camp can force the other to do things their way.

We are playing together, so you come to an agreement together before issuing a vote kick.

But, this goes way beyond just being kicked for watching cutscenes. I was in a CM last night where a Warrior asked at the start of the dungeon if there was something he needed to know, because he was new in CM.

The response he got was “Not really” and then the party took off, pulling the mobs at the searchlights. Literally no one was talking to the new guy to prepare him for what was expected of him. I was one of the healers at the time and i said to the new tank that the other tank will tell him what to tank.

Well… The other, experienced tank, said nothing what so ever. Not a single word. This is not how you play “together”. So, in order to help the guy out, i waited for him to be ready and have him follow me around, while giving tips what he should look for, when adds would pop, etc.

The only time we got a response from someone else in the party was when i told the new tank to pull something, where i got called back with the reply “No, don’t.” followed up after a few seconds with “Now do.” because they were skipping mechanics.

If you want a new guy to run a dungeon the way you want to, you talk to them. You don’t just say nothing and expect them to flawlessly do things your way, or kick them they are not doing things “your way”. Even if you have run the dungeon 100x or more.

Yes, everyone has their own playstyle, but i can’t call this “playing the game” anymore.

Players in general don’t interact with other players, next to saying “Hi” at the beginning of the dungeon followed by a “Thanks for the party” at the end, hoping that it will give them a commendation. I mean, you can consider yourself lucky if the party waits until you have buffed them with Protect and Stoneskin/Adloquium…

We are just running content like lemmings, running towards the goal, hoping we don’t fall to our deaths.

[Elway358]

If you wanna drag ass and watch the cutscenes, be prepared to miss pretty much every fight. You can't have it both ways. The duty finder isn't about YOU.

Sounds like you deserved to be kicked if you "ignored" them as you yourself admit when asked to skip cutscenes. I suspect a simple reply stating that you wanted to watch them and to go ahead without you would have been plenty to keep you from being kicked. But that's not what you wanted. You expected the entire party to cater to your specific wants in the DUTY FINDER.

I wouldn't have voted to kick you, I would have initiated the vote...

[LionKing]

As this moment, you feel upset an unfair, but trust me on this, once you have done those story modes so many times, you will act and think the same like those 7 people, except maybe the part of kicking people out of the duns because of watching cutscene. Been there, done that. And with the current ilv, those can be easily cleared 4 mans, so you won't be needed and feel free to take your time to watch the CS. Then you can always re-run them for combat experience. I know it sounds selfish but that just how it goes

[RuruKun]

Noob question. Does the PF que up like the DF when all conditions are met? Just that sometimes I see people set times, like 9pm PST, do they leave their console/computer running the game all day, I would figure if you logged out then the party would be dismissed.

Hmm, not sure, I don't think there is a specific setting for time. When I formed my parties in the past I'm usually there waiting/ leveling choco before my parties fill up. The way I see it, players look at what the requirements are checked off the list then join. Then in the comment box I type in extra stuff like "need to clear for storyline progression!"

the check list already has things like: "Newcomers welcome!" and "watching all cutscenes!" and something like "slow and easy!" you know, so that players know I don't want speed runners. :P

I usually check all those things off and still managed to get really cool and understanding ppl!

[Souljacker]

I’m sorry, but saying that this is not a problem of the players but the developers is just pointing the finger to someone else. The players have an equal share of the blame in this. SE provided the tools, but it’s they players that determine the way they want to (ab)use the system.

It absolutely IS on the developers. If the story wasn't littered in the middle of the dungeon and was in an appropriate place - there would never be a thread titled "They don't let me watch my cutscenes!" Cutscenes in an appropriate place, i.e. on the player's OWN time, takes other people completely out of the equation.

How you can justify this being a failure of the players that are sick of old content I don't understand. If there isn't a system to be "abused" (and I am using that term VERY loosely. It's NOT abuse to be bored of seeing the same cutscene over and over and OVER again, ad naseum. It's NOTHING personal against a specific player.), then there isn't an opportunity for players to be hurt and complain.

[SarcasmMisser]

This wouldnt be a problem if every single ban was publicly announced. If there were information like "Player XXX YYY was punished with 1 month ban for forcing players to skip cutscenes" publicly avaible, every first timer harrasment in DF would IMMEDIATELY stop. I remember OGame doing it correctly.

Haha you think people get banned. I've seen people get less than a week for way worse, step back to reality if you think SE is going to give paying customers a month off over a DF argument.