1% or less drop rates and how they hurt the game

[Marcusow86]

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Can't help but look back on WoW where they were once luck based game, and they started to lose a lot of subs because people just aren't getting gear even after pouring in effort. They realizes that and quickly turn it into token based gear system.

SE in the other hand implemented an alt ways of getting gear like mirror from Levi Ext, oil and sand from SCoB that upgrades weathered to non-weathered gear that are at least comparable to high allagan but even those are luck based.

I understand MMO is all about grind but to an extend that luck wins all to me is not very fair.

[skaterger]

Can't help but look back on WoW where they were once luck based game, and they started to lose a lot of subs because people just aren't getting gear even after pouring in effort. They realizes that and quickly turn it into token based gear system.

SE in the other hand implemented an alt ways of getting gear like mirror from Levi Ext, oil and sand from SCoB that upgrades weathered to non-weathered gear that are at least comparable to high allagan but even those are luck based.

I understand MMO is all about grind but to an extend that luck wins all to me is not very fair.

Did you even play Wow? Tomes in ffxiv are comparable to badges in Wow. Marks that allowed you to obtain tier loot had a 100% drop rate from the end boss from a raid, same as oil/sands in ffxiv. In fact, there were 3 different types of marks and only 3 classes could roll for each type whereas sands/oils could be rolled by all classes. In 2.1, ffxiv also had the primal focus quest which gave you an i90 weapon for killing all 3 primals and was repeatable weekly. The only thing that I think wow did better was that lockout was character based and each character only had 1 class. So you could run multiple times per character every lockout.

I understand you are trying to get your point across but spreading misinformation is not the way to do it.

[Miltani]

Guess you were never on the waiting end of getting a Ridill before then

[Cherie]

I don't really see a problem with mirrors and pony drop rates. It took me several hundred ex primal kills to get a nightmare mount. I had lost the roll on mounts around 6-8 times before I got one. I wasn't even farming it either. Sure I wanted one. I could have easily never gotten one. The fact it was so rare made it a nice surprise (as I wouldn't have ever in my right mind expected to have gotten one that day).

Perhaps, now that novus weapons are available and gerolt weapons are easier to get (more geared people around to run with and do turn 7) they might want to up the mirror drop rate. The only reason I say that is because, it's less desirable to get a mirror now. If it had a higher drop rate, people might actually try to farm it. At 1% or some such drop rate, it isn't logical to ever farm it unless you run with 7 other people that will let you have it if it ever drops. It would be a exercise in frustration merely because of the math involved (1 in 800?). If you happen luckily to win a drop of one, odds are you probably don't even "need" it and maybe it would just be a placeholder until you get a better weapon. So therefore, I think it should be a bit less rare (5%? so 1 in 160?). Sure some people might "need" it and not feel like farming a novus or something... But, with the drop rate being what it is, if you "need" it, it's almost a shorter grind to actually do the novus quest instead of trying to win the mirror lottery. And if you do happen it win it, you certainly aren't going to ever want to change it out for something else for a while. Where as if you got a animus/weathered gerolt(both i100 like mirror) you could upgrade it.

So yea, while I don't think it's a "must" by any means, having more mirrors out there might make people do more leviathan ex. And, that would mean most stuff to do for the rest of us.

[Mature]

Wrong link**

[Marcusow86]

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I am mainly referring to the best gear in game where in WoW, you mainly gets it from faction or token that you mentioned can be rolled by 3 other classes. Where else in FF14, only luck will get you those, hard work will get you at best the 2nd best weapon in the game. And the worse of all, content lock. Combined it with luck to get the best gear in game = frustration. Nothing beats watching most of your raid member gets their gear and no gear drops for you.

FYI, a token that can be rolled by few classes (3 like you mentioned) vs a token that can be rolled by ALL in the raid have its differences.

Just my PoV

[Mature]

As we have a moogle hat to increase exp by 10% up to lvl10 it would be ideal to get an item or a piece of gear that every time u wear it will increase the drop rate for Fates (atmas/alexandrites/future drops) or even for Dungeons.

Having this it will at least motivate people into doing more fates as the chances of a drop are higher.

for those who played FFXIII know what a nightmare it was to get Trapezohedron of the Adamantoise with a 1% drop rate. For this kind of situations there was an accessory called "connoisseur" it helped to increase the drop rate by 10%.

Will it be possible to have a think and consider this if the Fate drop rates are not gonna be increased anytime soon?

I personally would be happy having something like this.

Room for thoughts

[ShadowHunterrX]

Drop rate is fine what it is. Let people finally work for there gear , then leeching and getting cared too some fights. I dont get the cry`s for*atma drops* anyway , as owner of 1 animus and 2 atma`s without days of fate farm. Every day 1 hour and see what will happen.

If you farm non stop for that 1 thing...... Yea own fault I guess :P.

[Felis]

Why they got rid of the 1.x system where you could trade in tomestones after some wins?
If you havnt gotten the weapon you wish for, after the 10th win you can choose one for free (trade in for stones).
Currently we are having same old RNG without any failprove system to backup "unlucky" players!

10% chance to get a weapon
20% chance to get a tomestone
70% chance to get a dark matter V (so you can at least repair your stuff)

[Rose-Wild]

They should let you buy them with Rowena's tokens. Even if it's like 30 for a mount. I hate the idea of stuff that you can't get just because of RNG. Most people give up on them because of the low drop and having to roll vs 7 players....