Story falls apart at the end...

[ispano]

It's not a flaw for someone to think that if they're buying a Final Fantasy game, it will play like a Final Fantasy game and should be compared to other Final Fantasy games. What is Final Fantasy? A series of RPGs.

It is a flaw. Because you see Final Fantasy and think it MUST play like a Final Fantasy game, which are primarily single player. The problem is it's an MMO before that. It's Final Fantasy made into an MMO. So some things have to change to make it work as an MMO. You can't make a Final Fantasy MMO that plays like a single player game, because it then ceases to be an MMO.

[saber_alter]

i'd have to agree with the OP. mob mentality really takes over the story.

fortunately vote-kick wasn't a thing when i finished so i proceeded to give the rest of the party the finger and watch the cut-scenes at my leisure.

[yoshikwalla]

It is a flaw. Because you see Final Fantasy and think it MUST play like a Final Fantasy game, which are primarily single player. The problem is it's an MMO before that. It's Final Fantasy made into an MMO. So some things have to change to make it work as an MMO. You can't make a Final Fantasy MMO that plays like a single player game, because it then ceases to be an MMO.

So you're saying that it's wrong to expect a Final Fantasy game to be a Final Fantasy game.

[Malakhim]

I actually quit because of this. I played this game since closed ALPHA back in early-to-mid 2010. I've waited years for the epic battle against Gaius van Baelsar, and to be prevented from experiencing the finale to a Final Fantasy game's main storyline, even if it one of many, is unforgivable from an RPG standpoint and a gaming standpoint.

Level 48-50 is when the game stops being an RPG and starts becoming a repetitive mechanics-driven simulation game a la DOTA and League of Legends. 1.0 was, in a lot of ways, a terrible game for most of its life cycle. But as an RPG, it blows this game to smithereens. Over the course of the game's life cycle, it was tweaked and updated and formatted to tell a story. In this game, the exact opposite is happening.

Any RPG that introduces gameplay systems that ruin the role-playing experience (in this particular case, the Duty Roulette) is not a good RPG. And definitely not a good Final Fantasy game.

This post wins the thread for most italics I guess.

Listen man, regardless of your highly subjective opinion that Final Fantasy games are the pinnacle of RPG storytelling, and as much as I feel for you, it is in fact an MMO. As I posted before already, you're going to be subjected to plenty of different people with different play styles and expectations. Even if you weren't using the DF or the DR, you can't expect to hold back seven other players(who for all you know have who knows what else going on) while you do whatever you're doing. This same scenario applies in real-life as well. Nobody has a magic wand to magically be able to influence the majority to do whatever he or she wants, and to try to do so is bratty. Fortunately, players have the option to use the Party Finder, where they can specifically request people who are looking for the same time of experience as you are.

If your response to that is "well Final Fantasy should never have become an MMO", well then really there isn't much else to tell you, and you probably shouldn't be posting here.

[yoshikwalla]

This post wins the thread for most italics I guess.

If your response to that is "well Final Fantasy should never have become an MMO", well then really there isn't much else to tell you, and you probably shouldn't be posting here.

I never stated that Final Fantasy XIV should never have been made into an MMO. I'm just saying that as a Final Fantasy game, this game fails. As a western raiding simulator, it's really good.

[Vahlnir]

So you're saying that it's wrong to expect a Final Fantasy game to be a Final Fantasy game.

You're REALLY not getting what people are telling you, are ya?

[ispano]

So you're saying that it's wrong to expect a Final Fantasy game to be a Final Fantasy game.

No, i'm saying it's wrong to expect a Final Fantasy MMO to be like a Final Fantasy single player game. As soon as you make a persistent or even semi persistent world with thousands of people or more, it just cannot be the same.

[Vahlnir]

i'd have to agree with the OP. mob mentality really takes over the story.

fortunately vote-kick wasn't a thing when i finished so i proceeded to give the rest of the party the finger and watch the cut-scenes at my leisure.

I agree with the OP as well, but there's a couple different takes on that sort of situation.

[Senfei]

Pretty much everyone has their opinion on both sides of the fence and everyone is right because this debate has raged since the inception of roulette and ultimately both sides are valid.

The only suggestion that is constantly made that is completely wrong is to detach the storymode dungeons from the roulette, as that would adversely affect far more new players than the tiny vocal minority of new players who actually had bad experiences with a jerk who was mean to them for watching cut scenes (and their shining saviors on the forums who come to defend their honor).

I like pumpkin pie.

[Malakhim]

I'm just confused about how this isn't a "Final Fantasy" game based strictly on the "Failings" of the Duty Roulette/Finder.