Benchmark for a SMN thread. (Yes this again.)

[Dwill]

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It's no secret that they'll be looking at adjusting Garuda so that we can use other Egis but you're kidding yourself if you think that people won't just switch to the next strongest Egi after and stick to that.

More interaction is not always a good thing and since you wanted to compare to WoW, let's go ahead and do so. In Cataclysm, Warlocks had a really good interaction with the Felhound due to the pet's main attack doing more damage with the amount of DoTs on the target. Good idea on paper. Want to know how it went for the pet after it was deemed pretty powerful ? (Hint: Not so good)

The thing is that the pet already does a decent chunk of damage and altering the gameplay for the same amount of damage just so that the vocal minority feel better about themselves being summoner is not a thing that should be done if the majority of the people are fine with how it currently is.

[Spellbinder]

The thing is that the pet already does a decent chunk of damage and altering the gameplay for the same amount of damage just so that the vocal minority feel better about themselves being summoner is not a thing that should be done if the majority of the people are fine with how it currently is.

Well obviously the developers aren't fine with the way things are, or they wouldn't be taking a second look. Until we see what plans they have, there's no harm in discussing what they may change within reason.

In my personal opinion, if they find a problem with players gravitating to a single Egi, then answer lies in adjusting the gameplay to give players incentive to change periodically.

[Dwill]

Well obviously the developers aren't fine with the way things are, or they wouldn't be taking a second look. Until we see what plans they have, there's no harm in discussing what they may change within reason.

In my personal opinion, if they find a problem with players gravitating to a single Egi, then answer lies in adjusting the gameplay to give players incentive to change periodically.

They're personally not fine with Garuda being the go-to egi in all situations and Tri-Disaster being useless. I'd hardly call that taking a second look at the class. It's called balancing and it's being done in every MMORPG and on nearly all classes throughout the game's life.

[Spellbinder]

They're personally not fine with Garuda being the go-to egi in all situations and Tri-Disaster being useless. I'd hardly call that taking a second look at the class. It's called balancing and it's being done in every MMORPG and on nearly all classes throughout the game's life.

We'll just have to agree to disagree then. If they're looking at Summoner's pets and at least one of its five job skills, I call that taking a look at the class. If they weren't taking a look, there wouldn't be any changes coming down the pipes.

[Kerberon]

We'll just have to agree to disagree then. If they're looking at Summoner's pets and at least one of its five job skills, I call that taking a look at the class. If they weren't taking a look, there wouldn't be any changes coming down the pipes.

That's just rebalancing. They do that constantly in mmo's from my experience. They do it if people find unintended synergies and make it overperform, if their metrics show it underperforming, then the pretty much do it every expansion as well when they raise a level cap as they give new abilities typically and they need to typically rebalance. This isn't "taking a look at the class" in how you mean. You seem to mean completely changing things up. What it is is them tweaking some numbers.

[Spellbinder]

That's just rebalancing. They do that constantly in mmo's from my experience. They do it if people find unintended synergies and make it overperform, if their metrics show it underperforming, then the pretty much do it every expansion as well when they raise a level cap as they give new abilities typically and they need to typically rebalance. This isn't "taking a look at the class" in how you mean. You seem to mean completely changing things up. What it is is them tweaking some numbers.

I mean this with the utmost respect, but please do not put words in my mouth.

Any adjustment, be it minor or major, I consider to be "looking at X." That's simply my interpretation of the phrase. Not everyone interprets things the exact same way.

[Dwill]

I mean this with the utmost respect, but please do not put words in my mouth.

Any adjustment, be it minor or major, I consider to be "looking at X." That's simply my interpretation of the phrase. Not everyone interprets things the exact same way.

They are two different things however.

Example of looking at a class: Warlocks from WoW in Mist of Pandaria.
Example of balancing: Increasing Aetherflow stacks to 4 instead of 3 but increasing the cooldown by 10 seconds.