SMN - Why it is not a very interesting job and not a good upgrade from ACN

[Akiza]

Nowhere does it makes any reference to how we will even be remotely close to summoning a Primal itself. The Lore itself does't permits. It requires a tremendous amount of crystal to attempt. But somehow, in your little imaginary world, you think that we will be summoning them via MP while taking a huge dump on the lore itself ? Yeah, that's just not happening.

There is a term though for that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusional

I used the Summoner lore from Final Fantasy XIV A Realm Reborn not wikipedia.

[AmyNeudaiz]

The lore does permit Summoner's summoning primals it's just that story line has caught up yet.

No. No it does not. How do you get around the Summoner that got corrupted? Too much power is bad.

People forget very easily. We originally thought and hoped we could summon huge primals and defeat FATEs. But that is either not happening or may come later in some form or another. I don't know people are so hostile to these kind of ideas. /shrug

I don't think the general population thought SMN was going to summon actual primals. We knew about Egi's for a long time before they showed them off.

[Cendres]

To be fair there was actually a big uproar over Ifrit's appearance when it was shown for the first time. Most people got over it, though.

People forget very easily. We originally thought and hoped we could summon huge primals and defeat FATEs. But that is either not happening or may come later in some form or another. I don't know people are so hostile to these kind of ideas. /shrug

[Ardan]

The lore does permit Summoner's summoning primals it's just that story line hasn't* caught up yet.

Uh... how do you know for sure that SMN will eventually be able to summon the actual primal? I mean even if we could summon the actual primal doesn't necessarily mean they would actually listen to us. Maybe they'll just keep doing what they're doing regardless. It kind of sounds you're spouting a bunch of BS right now. You know what would be a better plan? Taking a piece of their energy and forming it into something we CAN control. That way we get more power and we don't get pummeled in the face by Ifrit and the gang.

Who are you? What's this all about again? Why should we listen to this delusional poster?

[Akiza]

How come when players have legitimate complaints about the Summoner's pet design and Aesthetics other players resort to this person doesn't know how to play and want an increase to damage. The lore already supports Summoner's being able to summon the Primals and Egis but since people haven't read the lore and just repeat what everyone else says like a parrot they don't add anything to the discussion.

[Dwill]

The lore does permit Summoner's summoning primals it's just that story line has caught up yet.

What's so hard to grasp ? The entire point of the summoner quest line argue against you.

How come when players have legitimate complaints about the Summoner's pet design and Aesthetics other players resort to this person doesn't know how to play and want an increase to damage. The lore already supports Summoner's being able to summon the Primals and Egis but since people haven't read the lore and just repeat what everyone else says like a parrot they don't add anything to the discussion.

Your butchered version allows it. Square Enix's does not. At this point, I just think you're one hell of an oblivious and delusional person.

[Cendres]

No. No it does not. How do you get around the Summoner that got corrupted? Too much power is bad.



I don't think the general population thought SMN was going to summon actual primals. We knew about Egi's for a long time before they showed them off.

The essences of primals yes, but difinately far more awe inspiring then the current egis. And we DID hope they would be like smaller versions of the primals. We may still get that at some point. Who knows? SE probably knows...

It's not because the current story explains why the egis are what they are at this moment and why we can't currently summon bigger ones that it can't change, ever... You are not factoring that the way the story is told explains why things are NOW, but it's always in flux and there can always be ways to change it.

It's not because some of you refuse to see how we could summon more powerful eikons, that it can't or will never be done. We can jump now can't we? /sly wink.

Before we knew what FATEs were exactly, there was speculation that a summoner could earn a powerful eikon with their Free Company and only use them a few times before the essence went back to the 'wild'. There may never be something in a large scale like this, but it sure would be awesome if there were....

[Darske]

I know it's been said a hundred times over, but the Egis would feel a lot more imposing if they were as big as they are when we fight them in our questline.

That said, I've been having a lot of fun with Summoner lately. While I do think that if reworked it would benefit from a greater emphasis on controlling your Egi, I don't really have any huge complaints about the job.

[Cendres]

That said, I've been having a lot of fun with Summoner lately. While I do think that if reworked it would benefit from a greater emphasis on controlling your Egi, I don't really have any huge complaints about the job.

I think a lot of the jobs will be polished as time goes on, I would love to see more carbuncles for example, and more utility for summoner. As the game evolves let's hope so do our jobs.

[Akiza]

It is amusing because the SMN story itself goes off to explain why a Summoner only grasp an aspect of the power. TO obtain more and attempt to control a more powerful egi/version of the primal is dangerous and the power corrupts the user which was the whole point of the Summoner story. it showcased another summoner that had a lust for power and it corrupted him.

The other Summoner Tristen Nightflicker killed his own brother after Ifrit tempered him thus driving him insane. So Tristan aka The Dark Summoner made a deal with the Ascians to gain more power so he could get revenge on Ifrit as well as all other primals by destroying the beasts tribes now if you paid attention to the story then you'd realize that it was the Dark Summoner's drive for revenge and lust for power that allowed him to cross any morale boundary which is what corrupted. Unless we become corrupt and go to the dark side story wise giving the Summoner more of the primal's power to control a more powerful egi version of the primal wouldn't do anything.