Current State of End-Game Contents - A Blog Post from A Japanese Player

[Parasite]

The basic problem with all those new-gen MMORPGs is that people think they should be able to reach everything even if theyre not good enough..
If you cannot drive a car, dont sit behind the wheel.. If you cannot skate, dont stand on a snowy mountain. If you cannot swim good enough, dont go into deep water.. All those situations are common sense and widely agreed by almost anyone int he world..
Now comes the MMO counterside: If you aren't good enough to clear certain content, then so be it and don't do it.. And THIS is the moment where people take out their 13 bucks joker and say " but but but, I PAY FOR IT SO I DEMAND it!

Why in the world do people think they have special rights or privileges in an MMO whereas in the rest of the world they accept that they dont always have all privileges?

If something is too difficult, learn it or accept its too difficult for you. I cannot say "but but i want to drive!" whenI don't have a drivers licence. Why do people think they have a right to be in coil 6 or beyond if they cannot even clear turn 5? (Turn 5 being the equivalent to the drivers licence test for example)

Don't get me wrong i am simply implying that people should rethink their attitude towards a simple MMORPG game.. Just because you buy a game doesn't mean you have the right to get everything adjusted so "you" can clear the game.. Thats the fact in other offline games as well, Dark Soul, Ikaruga, hell, almost any game has a certain difficulty even on the easiest setting where you get told to either play good enough or you will simply not make it. Why is it difficult in an MMO where everyone screams "CASUAL FRIENDLY"?

Honestly casual means less time to spend, not braindead.. You can clear Coil and every raid within the first day of the week, even as a casual. Just put effort into it (Even if its only 1-2 hours a day) and dont expect that the game is a walk in the park and that you get dragged through the content because you aren't competent enough to dodge simple mechanics and use some common sense.. And if youre really not capable of doing the content, so be it.. No one is dragging you through in real life either.

[Rubeus_Carcer]

I've begun translating both myself.

Yes, I absolutely do want a cookie for this.

[Yukiko]

The thing is, most of the game is casual paradise. Name anything that isn't Coil 2 and it's casual.

Sorry, thats just not True.
Actually EVERYTHING depends on DPS racing and none of the endgame is casualfriendly, not even CT is...
Edit: As once said before "challenge" you can ALWAYS get by downgrading as example, but clearing a content with linear progress, you can not do ALWAYS, special here, when you require to kill Titan to progress in Story or then Mogry and Leviathan to progress in story... thats stupid. Those who deny the "challenge" just try to have something they can show off, best if no other can ever get it to make them something special, thats not a challenge!

PS: I have found the posting with the AoE delay (I mentioned some posts earlier)

[Kuwagami]

I recognize your posts by your signature gif and I believe someone needs to tell you this: you seem to have some pent up frustration with MMOs.

Not really. I have some pent up frustration with MMOs' population.

One of the major good point about MMO is that you can socialize, meet friendly strangers who will help you or who you can help, eventually you may become friends of just happen to play together.


Instead of that, people are insulting each other for "not being good", noone has time to help people, let alone socialize.
As they say it themselves, most people don't even have the time to play or just have basic courtesy : "please speed run", "you're wasting my time", "stop sucking so hard", "how hard is it to dodge such an easy thing"... and so on.

There was a time when high-end player = player dedicated and who has a lot of experience and knowledge to share.
Now, it has become new player = hindrance.

The whole concept of MMOs in defeated the moment you decide to throw away people because they are not corresponding to your criteria. A 8-men play is not a MMO (for those who only play in static). A game with only people bringing their A-game isn't a MMO either.

concrete example : someone who would be scornful against anyone not yet at T6 would turn their back at 95% of the player base. Why ? If you want to succeed 100% of the time, play a solo game. If you do not want to meet people from different horizons, with different expectations and levels, why do you even play a MMO ? Is that so hard to accept that people less skilled/dedicated than you exist and play too ? Apparently it is.


http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-our-community

this thread expresses it better than I do.

If it's the norm nowadays, MMOs won't last long. The genre may stay, but every single MMO developping a community where everyone is turning their back to everyone else is doomed, because they aren't MMOs anymore. You can have as many 8-men group as you want in a game, if they never mix and play with other people, it's not a MMO.


PS :

The thing is, most of the game is casual paradise. Name anything that isn't Coil 2 and it's casual.

Titan Ex ? Oh right, "easy". Many people could disagree, but meh, their point has no value since it's not yours.
Also T5. But again, no value because 5-6% of the player base having it cleared is casual enough ?

Do not take me wrong on this PS, but no, Coil2 is not the only non-casual content.

[Iriadysa]

I apologize, for I don't have the energy to argue dramatic victimism. Yet, I'd like to point a funny bit in your argument:

If you want to succeed 100% of the time, play a solo game.

It's funny, because this is exactly what this thread keeps asking of the game.

Titan Ex ? Oh right, "easy". Many people could disagree, but meh, their point has no value since it's not yours.
Also T5. But again, no value because 5-6% of the player base having it cleared is casual enough ?

Do not take me wrong on this PS, but no, Coil2 is not the only non-casual content.

Of course "many people could disagree". I already even acknowledged that the massive population is not only casual in terms of time, but casual in terms of skill. There's a lot of people that consider this game "hard", yet what's truthfully hard is to find people that are not horrible players.

This is a side effect of the popularization of MMOs and video games in general. The average skill level of the current video game client (previously known as player) is at an all time low and games retroactively respond to this. Most of XIV is geared towards this group of people to the exception of bleeding edge content. I don't even count Titan Ex and T5 because in all honesty they are not hard. Sure, they aren't as easy as Admapor City or Braflox HM, but the thing is everything under Titan Ex is a laughable joke in terms of difficulty.

But XIV is not the only game doing this "casualization" of content. The buzz word is, I believe, "accessibility", and it is plaguing everything: from F2P games to subscription MMOs to offline games.

The main problem is the casual crowd (which is the dominant crowd in terms of numbers and thus in terms of money) is voracious and has a horrible time accepting that only 90%* of the game is made for them.

*75% of all statistics on the internet are made up.

[Kuwagami]

It's funny, because this is exactly what this thread keeps asking of the game.

It's funny, because the OP never mentioned anything to give 100% success rate on the game. More things like "Can't do it ? Don't worry, you'll get it in 6/12 month when you are overgeared enough". See the difference ? you didn't succeed, you even failed. The game will make it eventually easier over time, as a true RPG I'd say. Easying fights by overgearing/overlevelling. Been there for ages.

yet what's truthfully hard is to find people that are not horrible players.

I could say some horribly mean things about that but not worth the trouble. Seriously, give up that attitude, you're exactly in the case I described above with that type of speech.

the thing is everything under Titan Ex is a laughable joke in terms of difficulty.

Because they aren't meant to be hard maybe ? Hard content is supposed to be Coil and extreme primals. If you don't find it hard, you're in the minority, but the point remains true

The main problem is the casual crowd (which is the dominant crowd in terms of numbers and thus in terms of money) is voracious and has a horrible time accepting that the remaining 10% of the game remains out of reach even when the ones capable of doing it don't bother at all about it anymore.

Fixed that for you.

But maybe you are still doing Ifrit Ex/titan Ex for fun from time to time ? Or T1 ? I highly doubt so.

So what do we have here ? Content that noone should ever do because "good players" have nothing to do anymore there and "bad players" are too bad to complete ? It's a total waste of content. Actual "casualisation" handing content to less skilled players after some time is far better. It gives a second life to content before being trashed away.

[Iriadysa]

But you already have what you are asking for. Would you say Extreme primals and Coil 1 are as hard today as they were months ago? Echo and the easy to get weathered gear is there to help you make every encounter gear carried for your leisure.

The reality of this is you are complaining about two things:

1. Content that is reaction based cannot be turned into gear carried content, as proven by the fact echo doesn't help too much* in beating the only two pieces of content that are reaction based: Titan Extreme and Twintania.
2. You cannot do bleeding edge content yet: Coil 2.

You can twist and flavor your words all you want, but the truth of the matter is this is nothing but "casuals" complaining about having to give up a small part of the game to "evil hardcore players". As aside note, I have the play time of a casual and thus Coil 2 is hard for me to actually get into and yet I'd rather have it like it is.


* Echo makes Titan and TT much easier, but people still can't dodge a barn.

[Kuwagami]

You can twist and flavor your words all you want, but the truth of the matter is this is nothing but "casuals" complaining about having to give up a small part of the game to "evil hardcore players". As aside note, I have the play time of a casual and thus Coil 2 is hard for me to actually get into and yet I'd rather have it like it is.

Won't comment about the nonsense above this paragraph (as I don't give a shit about Coil2 and have beaten Titan and Twintania already)*


You can try to twist the point as much as you want to make it easier to defeat, you're still not understanding the complaint.

Nice twist on your part : "casuals" complaining about having to give up a small part of the game to "evil hardcore players".
Last time I checked, it was a flame from so called "hardcore" complaining about levi & moggle mog free to fight, echo in coil, etc. "Oh noes, they want the candies we threw away !"

I have yet to hear about any "casual" asking directly for a "give me that" version of content at release.

*Edit : thinking about it again, I'll comment :
your 2) is irrelevant as I was talking about old content. Flash news, Coil2 isn't old content.
your 1) just proves again that there is a design flaw in the intention of devs to make casuals get to the point where other people were ages ago.

I don't think you know what you are arguing for anymore. I'm out.

actually on this one you were assuming wrong things and I corrected them. But well, ok

[Iriadysa]

I don't think you know what you are arguing for anymore. I'm out.

[Gormogon]

The thing is, most of the game is casual paradise. Name anything that isn't Coil 2 and it's casual.

Hardcore content
Extreme Primals and Coil equate to nearly 100 unique rewards per every other major patch. Also around 5 different colored horse mounts.

Semi hardcore content
Dungeons, mainly Myth and Soldiery farming, and CT also equate to nearly 100 unique rewards as well per every other major patch.

PvP Content
Wolf Marks farming nearly 100 unique rewards.

Crafter and gather
(Need information on this.) Believe it's just furniture, minions, and some glamour.

Casual content
Beast Tribe Dailies
Hildebrand quest line
Main Scenario

2 mounts per major patch. Even if we tried to even the field by adding hairstyles, new dance moves, minions, etc probably wouldn't even near 100.

Then there's the FATE collaborations started and ended with FFXIII the rest never lived up to it and it's been non-existent ever since. Even though I liked the Shantotto and Dragon Quest fates it didn't live up to the rewards of FFXIII.

How rewarding Golden Saucer will be is beyond me.
How rewarding Chocobo raising will be is beyond me.
There's no Favour System in place.

I can go on but as far as calling "most of the game" a "casual paradise" which is the farthest from the truth tells me all I need to know.