Arcanists and their spells

[Kaiser-Ace]

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The same could be said for Conjorers, Thamaturges, and Archanist. They draw from the Aetheir of other fources, like the conjorers do with elementals and thamaturges with the Void it's self, and the Archanist would draw from latient, stagnate, or dorment aethier in their general surrounding (Think taking Ions out of the air rather than Electrons off of the attoms them selves.).
Any thoughts or comments? And I do appoligize for my horrible spelling. Never was verry good at it.

[Bombast]

Here's a thought: its a videogame and therefore doesn't have to make exact sense. Why bother to over think small details that don't really matter in the end? Just game on.

Said the man, insisting that lore wasn't important in the forum specifically created for lore discussion, for a game in a series of games that is renowned for having a lot of lore (Even if the lore isn't always particularly good), and of which belongs in a genre that is expected to have expansive lore.

Kind of a silly thing to say, particularly when there's an actual answer. While there is such a thing as storyline/gameplay segregation, the only way to find that line in the sand is to ask questions about it.

[Catapult]

Could a summoner with enough skill and aether summon a full primal on their own?

A single summoner, presuming they have sufficient crystals to supplement their personal aether? Yes, but not safely. We already know that the Amalj'aa conduct their rituals with a single summoner, but with tempering consequences.

An army of summoners with the latest in Ultima Weapon and Bahamut-binding technology? Now that's a different story.

[Urthdigger]

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The same could be said for Conjorers, Thamaturges, and Archanist. They draw from the Aetheir of other fources, like the conjorers do with elementals and thamaturges with the Void it's self, and the Archanist would draw from latient, stagnate, or dorment aethier in their general surrounding (Think taking Ions out of the air rather than Electrons off of the attoms them selves.).
Any thoughts or comments? And I do appoligize for my horrible spelling. Never was verry good at it.

It's explicitly mentioned that thaumaturge uses your own aether. Also, as I've mentioned before, black and white magic are noteworthy for draining the aether of the surrounding environment, so it's highly unlikely that arcanist does too and everyone in-game just ignores that. Far more likely is that, like thaumaturge, they use their own aether, channeled through the mystic patterns in the book, to fuel their spells.

[Toranja]

Do they have any sort of independant will? (I lean towards yes on this one, given the end of the quest event for Titan-egi.)

Yes. That and Belias.

Do they posess the capacity to temper an individual?

I do not recall anything for certain, but I think there's something in the game that suggest the answer is yes.
EDIT: Actually, probably not. I think the Egi just kills you.

Here's a thought: its a videogame and therefore doesn't have to make exact sense. Why bother to over think small details that don't really matter in the end? Just game on.

You are in the wrong forum.

[Darske]

Thank you all for answering my questions, it really put a lot in perspective. I lost sight of the idea that a primal isn't just a single being, it's essentially a mass of aether given physical form by coalescing, and the summoner just takes a lot less of that essence and makes something they can use out of it.

Incorporeal demigods sure are complicated when examined from a corporeal standpoint.

[TinyRedLeaf]

Ah, but you didn't ask the wrong questions. It's just that the story still hasn't presented definitive answers for them.

Are the primals, as we see them, the physical manifestations of the omnipresent consciousness of the six elements of fire, water, ice, wind, lightning and earth?

Or do they appear the way they do simply because that's how their worshippers imagine that they'd look?

The exact definition has been greatly muddied since the appearance of Good King Moggle Mog XII, the "primal" that wasn't actually a primal.

His summoning demonstrates that — with sufficient crystals and a huge amount of collective faith — a group of people could literally cause aether to coalesce into physical form and, more miraculously, the manifestation would even have a mind and personality of its own.

Which leads me to wonder if arcanists with sufficient crystals and willpower could turn an animal-like aetheric entity like carbuncle into a "primal".

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On a side note, I just realised that all these metaphysical questions are similar to Immanuel Kant's musings on phenomena and noumena. Go watch the video and knock yourself out. I know I did, years ago, when I tried to bend my head around the theoretical limits of what is "knowable".