Syrcus Tower is 1 tank, 2 healer, 5 dps per party

[ispano]

my excuse? pls i am too lazy to sb. but i won't let you make false statements about how you can vote kick players because you don't like how they play or what they do.

So, what's your solution then? If the tank isn't performing enough for them to at least progress, and they can't kick him, they have two choices as a group and alliance. Either waste the entire time wiping, or vote abandon. You consider those acceptable compared to weeding out the problem?

[Musashidon]

So, what's your solution then? If the tank isn't performing enough for them to at least progress, and they can't kick him, they have two choices as a group and alliance. Either waste the entire time wiping, or vote abandon. You consider those acceptable compared to weeding out the problem?

take the penalty, weeding out the problem? the problems you only you care.

until se says you have all right to treat bad players horribly you are the problem not them.

[Nekodar]

take the penalty, weeding out the problem? the problems you only you care.

until se says you have all right to treat bad players horribly you are the problem not them.

There is a clear difference between actually "being bad but actually trying to do the job", and "intentionally refusing to do the job".

FYI, I haven't once asked for the first case tank to be kicked, or initiated vote kick of such a player.
For the second case I have initiated vote kick once and asked for it for another. In both cases after repeated wipes with the tank refusing to listen.

[Zakalwe]

There is a clear difference between actually "being bad but actually trying to do the job", and "intentionally refusing to do the job".

FYI, I haven't once asked for the first case tank to be kicked, or initiated vote kick of such a player.
For the second case I have initiated vote kick once and asked for it for another. In both cases after repeated wipes with the tank refusing to listen.

This is very much like a situation I had in Copperbell HM with a scholar 'healer' who just had me on /follow and figured eos was enough to do all the work. I think she was spending her time in FC chat or watching a video or something. She wasn't actually afk, only seemed like it, as when I stopped progress to chat she answered. Having me on follow meant that she usually ended up parked between me and the mobs and there was nothing I could do to turn them away from her without killing the rest of the party. Hence she not only kept dying but I had to do everything I could to stay alive, popping cooldowns on trash mobs. We obviously were never going to make it through the boss fights. She wasn't a bad player probably if she actually deigned to play. I first asked her to take me off follow and she refused. Then I realized she wasn't doing any healing either, only Eos (who often ended up being in a place that either couldn't manage to heal the party or spent all of its time trying to keep the scholar alive).

I asked her to actually do her job as healer (didn't care if she dpsed), and she said that this was her play style and it was her right to play as she liked. While I agree, in my mind this was harassment and decided that while she had a right to play as she wanted she didn't have the right to play with us, and initiated my first vote kick for reason other than afk/link dead.

EDIT: While really annoying, I realize Eos alone can do the job in lower level dungeons. But not here. And even in lower level dungeons, if on follow in a way where the healer gets all mob front aoe damage, it still might not work.

[Ferth]

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She doesn't have the right to ruin the dungeon for everyone else. It's totally griefing.

[ispano]

take the penalty, weeding out the problem? the problems you only you care.

until se says you have all right to treat bad players horribly you are the problem not them.

Yes, weeding out the problem. So your solution is to punish yourself over someone else causing problems. Also getting kicked is not "horrible". And that's what you don't get, if one person TRULY is holding back the entire alliance in this case, that's 23 people that ONE person is punishing. And i'm talking about if the person just doesn't have the HP to take certain hits, or doesn't have enough other stats to keep enmity causing DPS to go slow and not meet dps checks. Similarly to what Nyaa said, there's a difference between just playing poorly, and just not having the stats to do the job.

[Musashidon]

Yes, weeding out the problem. So your solution is to punish yourself over someone else causing problems. Also getting kicked is not "horrible". And that's what you don't get, if one person TRULY is holding back the entire alliance in this case, that's 23 people that ONE person is punishing.

yes it is, because you are treating this bad player as a griefer which they are not. it doesn't matter if they are holding back 23 people se says it's vote kick abuse.

[ispano]

yes it is, because you are treating this bad player as a griefer which they are not. it doesn't matter if they are holding back 23 people se says it's vote kick abuse.

Again, not talking about BAD players. Please start talking on the right point. We're talking about people who CAN'T do the job properly due to the SB gear they are wearing. If the tank has 4k HP and a big hit will do 5k+ to him in his current gear, he will die. That means he is intentionally gimping himself to a point that he cannot perform his job. He is intentionally causing wipes by doing so at that point.

[Musashidon]

Again, not talking about BAD players. Please start talking on the right point. We're talking about people who CAN'T do the job properly due to the SB gear they are wearing. If the tank has 4k HP and a big hit will do 5k+ to him in his current gear, he will die. That means he is intentionally gimping himself to a point that he cannot perform his job. He is intentionally causing wipes by doing so at that point.

they already said sbing it perfectly fine. once again vote kick abuse.

[ispano]

they already said sbing it perfectly fine. once again vote kick abuse.

Post it. Because this post http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2160384 says nothing of the sort.