Syrcus Tower is 1 tank, 2 healer, 5 dps per party

[Alistaire]

I hope not it would just make queues longer for tanks.

So what, 2 seconds instead of 1? And without a 2nd person to outlot you? Yes, poor tanks, truly a sad day for us.

[ispano]

take the penalty, weeding out the problem? the problems you only you care.

until se says you have all right to treat bad players horribly you are the problem not them.

Yes, weeding out the problem. So your solution is to punish yourself over someone else causing problems. Also getting kicked is not "horrible". And that's what you don't get, if one person TRULY is holding back the entire alliance in this case, that's 23 people that ONE person is punishing. And i'm talking about if the person just doesn't have the HP to take certain hits, or doesn't have enough other stats to keep enmity causing DPS to go slow and not meet dps checks. Similarly to what Nyaa said, there's a difference between just playing poorly, and just not having the stats to do the job.

[Musashidon]

Yes, weeding out the problem. So your solution is to punish yourself over someone else causing problems. Also getting kicked is not "horrible". And that's what you don't get, if one person TRULY is holding back the entire alliance in this case, that's 23 people that ONE person is punishing.

yes it is, because you are treating this bad player as a griefer which they are not. it doesn't matter if they are holding back 23 people se says it's vote kick abuse.

[ispano]

yes it is, because you are treating this bad player as a griefer which they are not. it doesn't matter if they are holding back 23 people se says it's vote kick abuse.

Again, not talking about BAD players. Please start talking on the right point. We're talking about people who CAN'T do the job properly due to the SB gear they are wearing. If the tank has 4k HP and a big hit will do 5k+ to him in his current gear, he will die. That means he is intentionally gimping himself to a point that he cannot perform his job. He is intentionally causing wipes by doing so at that point.

[Musashidon]

Again, not talking about BAD players. Please start talking on the right point. We're talking about people who CAN'T do the job properly due to the SB gear they are wearing. If the tank has 4k HP and a big hit will do 5k+ to him in his current gear, he will die. That means he is intentionally gimping himself to a point that he cannot perform his job. He is intentionally causing wipes by doing so at that point.

they already said sbing it perfectly fine. once again vote kick abuse.

[ispano]

they already said sbing it perfectly fine. once again vote kick abuse.

Post it. Because this post http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2160384 says nothing of the sort.

[raelgun]

they already said sbing it perfectly fine. once again vote kick abuse.

actually they didnt, it was never clarified.
All this does is give more ammo to the players who play to their fullest to have a go at said people causing issues. One more thing, those who are doing their job properly arent the problem, they are actually playing the game in their role as intended, and consuming the content as its given, leeching off and expect others to be punished is just horrid, doesnt work in real life, be damned in here.

[Musashidon]

Post it. Because this post http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2160384 says nothing of the sort.

I clarified my post a bit. Thanks for the suggestion!

even achnoledged that someone said that people were saying from his post it was saying it's ok to report players who sb and he said fixed. unless you're saying he was joking.

[ispano]

even achnoledged that someone said that people were saying from his post it was saying it's ok to report players who sb and he said fixed. unless you're saying he was joking.

He said he clarified the post. And what he did was to NOT take a stance on spiritbonding. They haven't said either way with the clarification. So, again, post where they actually said it.

[Musashidon]

He said he clarified the post. And what he did was to NOT take a stance on spiritbonding. They haven't said either way with the clarification. so, again, post where they actually said it.

good one like i said they clearly stated sbing is fine and you won't accept that. not my problem that's yours.